re: AP News: Scientists say the ozone layer is recovering

So, is China following those regulations? Sure, some CO2 emissions have been cut in areas, but not in China.

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Also, Massachusetts Institute of Technology atmospheric scientist Susan Solomon told the Associated Press the chemicals that replaced CFCs — the stuff blamed for damaging the ozone layer in the first place — are contributing to another environmental problem: global warming.

Paradoxically, the heat-trapping greenhouse gases believed to contribute to global warming are actually helping rebuild the ozone layer. Paul A. Newman, who co-chairs the U.N. panel, told the AP higher levels of carbon dioxide and other gases help cool the upper stratosphere, which increases the amount of ozone.

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The problem that never ends!

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It does.

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acid doe not equal GW

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But I thought it would be economically devastating to use less CO2? Are you saying that's no longer the case? Let me know when you make up your mind.

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A. We don't have cap and trade, Europe does. We cut emission by 12%, Europe 8% . Europe's economy is recovering much slower than ours and Australia had to repeal their cap and trade because it hurt poor ppl too much.

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Looks like there are economically viable alternatives to coal! So by your logic, its OK if we phase it out now, right?

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I am all for natural gas replacing coal by free market means, which is what happened here in the US until Odumbass decides to try and kill coal earlier this year.

Getting off of coal=/=outlawing fossil fuels. Outlawing fossil fuels production, consumption, transportation is the only way completely stop "manmade" CO2 and well you just can't do that.

Here is a solution that will work:
1. Frack more=cheaper CO2
2. Spend money on fixture traffic congestion and not on investing in mom and pop I think I can save the world companies. Just imagine how much more effective that $550 million would have been at reducing green house gas emission if they had redesigned/expanded the new bridge in BR so it isn't a parking lot most of the day.
3. Reinstitute the hybrid vehicle tax credit so that an average driver will actually save $$$ buying a nonprius hybrid
4. Approve more clean diesel and LNG engines for cars
5. Rebuild the Louisiana wetlands they would absorb alot of CO2.
6. Allow companies to write off expenses spent making their company "more green" from their taxes (that might already exist, I really have no idea).

I actually have to pay attention in my med school classes today so bye bye

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I blame 80's hair metal

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I blame CNN, they are using all that electricity to produce a news channel no one watches.

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Why can't it be both? The alarmism used to sell this program is remarkably similar to that being pushed by the AGW/CC/"Stop producing electricity" movement.

The problem is going to get here, sooner rather than later - we have all these old coal plants - new ones are being blocked. The number of new nuclear plants - I can probably count on 1 hand.

SO, in the not so distant future, when rolling brownouts/blackouts become a way of life in the U.S. - without any formal legislation and nothing more than the election/re-election of BHO - this wrong-headed,ill-headed path we've taken will the primary reason for it.

The good news is - the left will completely own the issue.

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that is why I will always live in a place with a backup generator. Atleast that way I can have a small ac in my bedroom running. I live in the caribbean and we have power outages everyday and it sucks but we have a backup generator so atleast my food doesn't spoil.

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I thought it was your position it would be economically devastating to use less CO2? Are you saying that's no longer the case?

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ok it is official you can not read and/or are brain damaged

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So you think we shouldn't have banned CFCs - but instead waited for the free market to magically get rid of them? Is that your position? I thought you said once economically viable alternatives were available - it was OK to phase something out. You seem to keep flipping this way and that and its hard to pin down exactly what your fundamental beliefs are - if any.

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CO2=/=CFC dumbass

ETA: my fundamental belief is that the free market is better than the gov and that applies to everything. The less government the better. As far as GW goes yes we (as individuals) should do all we can to limit our CO2 emissions so the planet can take care of itself. If gov has to get invovled, which they do, then they should not use system (i.e cap and trade) that are proven losers but should focus on proven winners (i.e. allowing more fracking so natural gas stays cheaper than coal, tax credits for being more green so companies and ind can choose to be, etc)

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Actually, it was 12% from 2007-2012. Almost no GDP growth over that time period, with a great big 'ol dip in the middle.

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The the GDP is flat because we aren't putting enough CO2 in the air? Is that your position?

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The the GDP is flat because we aren't putting enough CO2 in the air? Is that your position?

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We are an energy based economy. CO2 emissions correlate with economic performance. What is your question?