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re: 9+6 = ? "Our young learners might not be altogether comfortable..."

Posted on 9/5/14 at 1:18 am to
Posted by Layabout
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 1:18 am to
I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.

It's easy to poke fun at something you don't understand. Do you move your lips when you read?
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 1:20 am
Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49528 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 1:28 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life.


I get what you're saying. I do the same thing (for a basic example: what is 132 X 5, I'll do 130X5 + 2X5). There's a chance I'm wrong, but I really think that single digit number additions should simply be beaten into their heads until memorized.

And while my common core addition feelings are still open, I've seen the common core multiplication videos and it's absurd.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 1:30 am
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 3:10 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.

It's easy to poke fun at something you don't understand. Do you move your lips when you read?



hahahahahahahahahahahaha

bullshite, I do calculations in my head a lot faster than that and that bullshite never occurred to me
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19486 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 6:22 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.


Adults, and advanced children/teen can do complex calculations in their heads but we didn't start out doing complex calculations in our heads. Instead, we were taught the basic building blocks and then, only after understanding those memorization building blocks, were we able to branch out and learn how to do complex calculations.

Common core is idiotic because it sees what higher functioning students are able to do and mistakenly believes that every student can immediately leap to learning the complex calculations without teaching them the basics first.

ETA: I have no problem with using common core methods in schools but not until the students have a grasp of the basics. You can't build a house without a foundation so why would anyone think we can skip the foundations of math without any problems?
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 6:25 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
424539 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 6:57 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.

yeah i have done the same. a lot of CC seems to teach my own shortcuts in math

note: when i'd have to go explain how i did problems and i used my own method, i would just confuse students and the teacher wouldn't ask me to do it again (nerd fistbump to myself)
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52951 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 7:53 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.

It's easy to poke fun at something you don't understand. Do you move your lips when you read?


Yes, but how can you do these complex calculations? Because you learned the correct way of calculating them as a child. Forcing kids to use shortcuts that, as adults, are commonplace, doesn't work when the kid doesn't know the basics of mathematics. This is the reason common core math is a failure.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30236 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:28 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life


So do I, but it's overkill for single digit addition and I don't see where you'd save time later by learning this with single digits now. It isn't efficient.

Just learn to add single digits like that on the fly, and the process by which we do more complex problems in our head can be learned a couple year later (as it already is)

9+6=15....why do we need a new concept with more steps to learn this?
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 8:30 am
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9636 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 8:57 am to
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can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.


But not everybody is as brilliant as you.



When teaching the basics, it's better to keep it simple, or you'll just end up intimidating the students who struggle.

All this is, is a dog and pony show, designed to enrich text book companies and consultants who will make a fortune holding seminars for local school boards and teachers.
Posted by PacLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
3630 posts
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:12 am to
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I can do fairly complex calculations in my head and that is exactly the method I've used all my life. I'm glad to see it's been formalized.

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