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re: When you become rich, are you making other people poor?
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:10 am to GumboPot
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:10 am to GumboPot
quote:it also begs the question; why do politicians blame "rich" people for the whoa's of the poor when in fact it is the rich people who help get them elected.
This begs the question; why do politicians blame "rich" people for the whoa's of the poor when in fact it is the rich people who help lift the poor out of poverty the most simply through the value they add to the economy?
The answer: it's a theatre show to get votes.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:11 am to ManBearTiger
Goddamn. Y'all are all looking to pounce. I am familiar w labor market forces. Employers try to keep labor costs low like they do any other cost. But there are forces that establish a floor. You guys are economic geniuses.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:13 am to KeyserSoze999
quote:Certainly part of it. And it's a large reason why I despise (and quite frankly fear) the demonization of "the rich". Historically, it never ends well for anyone. Look at Venezuela... It's right before our eyes.
isn't 'the jews are getting rich off the backs of the people' what Hitler sold to the Germans?
Anytime you have politicians trying to induce "the masses" against a slim minority of the population--you should be skeptical and on guard. It's a known vector toward bad outcomes and government overreach.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:15 am to baybeefeetz
Didn't mean to come across as pouncing on you individually, just meant to make a general statement.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
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And I can't help the poor if I'm one of them/ So I got rich and gave back to me that's the win, win
-Sean Carter
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:31 am to GumboPot
Not unless you are taking more from them than they are expecting. You can't get rich without selling something. Sellers need buyers who are willing to pay for their products or services, but they expect value for their purchases. If you deliver the value that purchasers expect, then you are not making them poorer.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:37 am to GumboPot
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When you become rich, are you making other people poor?
sometimes, depends on how you get rich.
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Is it a zero sum game?
its not a zero sum game.
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Is that the reason the redistributionist left want to tax the living daylights out of the "rich"?
yes, wealth distributed across the populace is sub-optimal. This sort of redistribution is not going to have the desired outcomes.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 10:55 am to GumboPot
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When you become rich, are you making other people poor?
It depends on what you did to get rich. Clearly something like futures trading is a zero sum game. Opening and operating a factory that employs people isn't. I know its hard for a rightie to grasp this - but owning wealth by itself doesn't really say anything except that you own the wealth.
This post was edited on 9/2/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:47 am to Taxing Authority
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That's a recipe for failure. You'll end up with lots of turnover, poor morales, and you won't be attracting the best employees.
A good example of this involves the invention of the television set. Radios had sound but no pic. But people sat around the radio and looked at it as they were listening. Corporations knew it would be a gold mine to transmit pictures with the radio waves.
Three of the major competitors racing for the invention were GE, RCA and Westinghouse.
Researchers were under a set salary and their contract stipulated that any of their discoveries became property of the company.
It was a raw deal. So, the companies started raiding each others engineers. It went like this over lunch downtown:
GE: Bob, how much is RCA paying you?
Bob: $20K plus a 3K bonus if I can make a cathode ray tube work.
GE: Bob, quit GE and come work for us. We'll give you $40K plus a 10K bonus.
Bob would change companies and bring all of his knowledge on the research with him.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 11:56 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:Though I can see where one might make that argument, it actually is not true.
Clearly something like futures trading is a zero sum game
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Though I can see where one might make that argument, it actually is not true.
$'s, yes. Utility, perhaps no.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:e.g., commodity futures. Simplistically seems zero sum. However that does not take into account researchers, clerical assistance, equipment, etc. funded off of service/transaction fees. Also does not take into account benefits of risk transference in price stabilization (i.e., product marketability), or producer solvency (i.e., production employment).
$'s, yes. Utility, perhaps no.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:10 pm to GumboPot
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Is it a zero sum game? Is that the reason the redistributionist left want to tax the living daylights out of the "rich"?
In our crony capitalist country it can happen. When people get rich here, they pay politicians to create rules to make it harder for others to get rich.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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Also does not take into account benefits of risk transference in price stabilization (i.e., product marketability), or producer solvency (i.e., production employment).
That's what I meant by utility. Simple example would be home fire insurance.
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However that does not take into account researchers, clerical assistance, equipment, etc. funded off of service/transaction fees
I don't follow you here.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:01 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Clearly something like futures trading is a zero sum game.
Interesting that you are picking on futures trading.
IMO, futures provides an extremely valuable financial tool especially for users of commodities. It's make it much easier budget for following years to me as a commodity user to lock in cost. It's a huge tool for businesses in terms of predictability of their cost of goods.
Also, speculators don't even bother me in the futures market. When one party is speculating long there is another party speculating short. In fact it could be argued that speculators provide a valuable service, i.e. liquidity.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:04 pm to lsu13lsu
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When people get rich here, they pay politicians to create rules to make it harder for others to get rich
Such as? It seems to me that people get rich fairly regularly in the US.
Posted on 9/2/14 at 3:35 pm to Jake88
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Such as?
Easiest example would be your local liquor licensing regime. Incumbent license-holders go out of their way to make the process of getting new licenses as onerous/impossible as they can.
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