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Posted on 8/31/14 at 5:49 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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A series of maps published this week show Greenland and Antarctica are losing more ice than at any time since satellite records began.
Scientists found the two vast ice sheets are losing a total of 500 cubic kilometers of ice per year, contributing to rising global sea levels.
Ice loss
The researchers used data from the European Space Agency's CryoSat -- a satellite that passes over the earth at 700km above the surface and measures the thickness of polar ice.
The satellite was launched in 2010 and has been collecting data on sea ice and ice sheets ever since. By comparing data with other satellite missions, scientists can see how quickly the ice sheets are changing.
The study, just published in the journal The Cryosphere, reveals that since 2009, the volume of ice loss has tripled in West Antarctica and more than doubled in Greenland. This is the highest rate of ice loss since satellite records began 20 years ago.
Regional differences
The maps show that Greenland is losing around three times more ice than Antarctica, including thinning of the entire western ice sheet and further losses in the southeast and northwest ice sheets. You can see where the greatest losses of ice are occurring in the red areas in the maps below.
In Antarctica, the maps show thinning of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the Peninsula. East Antarctica shows some increases in thickness (shown in blue in the maps), though this doesn't outweigh the losses elsewhere. Overall, more ice is being lost than gained.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 6:06 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:1 fact, and warmists are convinced AGW is true. 1000 facts, routinely ignored.
1 fact, and the board is convinced GW is false. 1000 facts, routinely ignored.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 6:23 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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1 fact, and the board is convinced GW is false. 1000 facts, routinely ignored.
it only takes one fact to uncover that the political push to save the earth from a natural occuring gas is a bunch of bullshite.
Posted on 8/31/14 at 8:56 pm to WeeWee
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it only takes one fact to uncover that the political push to save the earth from a natural occuring gas is a bunch of bullshite.
Like a new tax on gasoline they are about to introduce in CA.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 2:18 am to Vegas Bengal
VB, are you disputing that the polar ice cap is growing, in both width and depth?
Are you saying the satellite photos in the OP are fake?
Are you saying the satellite photos in the OP are fake?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 2:21 am to ninthward
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Like a new tax on gasoline they are about to introduce in CA.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:21 am to L.A.
quote:Which brings up obviously related questions concerning MSM coverage.
VB, are you disputing that the polar ice cap is growing, in both width and depth?
Are you saying the satellite photos in the OP are fake?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:36 am to SpidermanTUba
I still wonder why you are so willing to frick over every member of your family, kids, grandkids etc with all of this GW bullshite
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:57 am to Jim Rockford
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500 cubic kilometers of ice per year,
Interesting they would throw a large number out there without showing the proportion to the total? Is it safe to assume this is on the order of a 1% loss or less?
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 7:27 am
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:15 am to Vegas Bengal
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James Garfield Quote: "I love agitation and investigation and glory in defending unpopular truth against popular error."
Vegas Bengal: I love agitation and investigation and glory in defending popular error against unpopular truth."
Posted on 9/1/14 at 7:58 am to bencoleman
quote:That is the saddest truth in this thread.
I still wonder why you are so willing to frick over every member of your family, kids, grandkids etc with all of this GW bullshite
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:17 am to NC_Tigah
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bullshite That is the saddest truth in this thread.
It's like he is blind, how can someone that's supposed to be educated be so dense?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:45 am to Cruiserhog
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so yes the ice extent is up from the all time low of 2012 buts its still below all average and almost outside of the standard deviation.
Doesn't change the fact (which was the premise of the OP) that the alarmists were wrong. They predicted that the trend or Arctic ice loss would continue, not reverse, and that the Arctic would be ice free right now. That turned out to not be the case.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 10:59 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Nor does it change the fact that CO2 greenhouse arguments underpinning AGW are far from settled.
Doesn't change the fact (which was the premise of the OP) that the alarmists were wrong
Posted on 9/1/14 at 11:17 am to NC_Tigah
More ice than last year
2014 returned to the standard deviation zone for the last 30 yrs
When do the dead polar bear carcasses screw up my beach trip and start washing ashore in Navarre Beach?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 5:42 pm to beebefootballfan
And just as this article comes out Arctic ice melt has come to a dramatic screeching halt the past couple of days. Average ice loss in very large August/very early Sept should be anywhere from 25,000 to 60,000 square kilometers per day. The last 3 days the loss has gone from 26,000 to an amazingly low 2,000 to an actual small INCREASE yesterday. At this pace 2014 is in serious danger of falling outside the 10 lowest sea ice extents in the satellite era. In other words, an incredibly dramatic recovery from the 2012 record low. There's a very good chance the low won't even drop below 5,000,000 square kilometers this year. To put that in perspective, the low has dropped below 5 million several times.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:14 pm to Jim Rockford
Renouned German meteorologist destroys and lampoons reports of Antarctic and Greenland ice loss.
Okay? Where is the big rise in sea levels?
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Numerous evaluations of coastal tide gauges over 200 years as well as the gravity measurements of the GRACE satellite deliver again and again a sea level rise of about 1.6 mm/yr. … Here…the trends are in agreement: The sea level rise has been linear for at least the last 100 years; there is no acceleration in sea level rise. A signal indicating man-made CO2 (AGW) is nowhere to be seen. This stands in stark contradiction to the claims and especially the alarmist prognoses of the IPCC and some climate institutes.” - See more at: https://notrickszone.com/2014/08/27/senior-meteorologist-demolishes-mocks-alfred-wegener-institute-claims-of-unprecedented-antarctica-ice-loss/#sthash.sZRGUpig.dpuf
Okay? Where is the big rise in sea levels?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 6:25 pm to HubbaBubba
Geez, let not pussy foot around. Are we in a global warming trend? Well yes, we are. We are talking about long term trends. Not what you look out your window and see.
Are we causing the majority of this... well, to be honest, that is up for grabs. We do know that there is a buttload of people on this planet. Are we contributing to the overall process of global warming? Well, hell, lets be honest. There are 7 some odd billion of us.
And now we get to nitty gritty. Can we do more to offset a global warming trend and maintain the growth of not only first world countries but the great raise of third world countries?
We are probably doing as much as the economy can withstand. Yes, having a wonderfully balanced plan for fossil fuels might be great. But let us not forget that new and cleaner coal power stations have been bumped because we all know coal is bad.
The real question is... if this a long term problem, which it looks to be, why aren't people looking at long term solutions instead of short term policies that do more harm then good?
Are we causing the majority of this... well, to be honest, that is up for grabs. We do know that there is a buttload of people on this planet. Are we contributing to the overall process of global warming? Well, hell, lets be honest. There are 7 some odd billion of us.
And now we get to nitty gritty. Can we do more to offset a global warming trend and maintain the growth of not only first world countries but the great raise of third world countries?
We are probably doing as much as the economy can withstand. Yes, having a wonderfully balanced plan for fossil fuels might be great. But let us not forget that new and cleaner coal power stations have been bumped because we all know coal is bad.
The real question is... if this a long term problem, which it looks to be, why aren't people looking at long term solutions instead of short term policies that do more harm then good?
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