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Maybe if Nintendo didn't spend the entirety of last generation putting out shovelware with a few great first party titles, they would have room to talk. Nintendo capitalized on the casual "gamer" like no other and now.... The fickle market hasn't returned.

The shovelware wasn't Nintendo. Look at EA's football games. Instead of putting out a real Madden, which sold fine on the Gamecube by the way, they put out Madden Wii. WHich stunk. No one bought it. Kids played Madden, not Madden Wii, that isn't Nintendo's fault. Well, to EA it is. If they wouldn't have gone all in on that lame strategy, I'm not sure we're where we are today.

A few first party titles? They put out 2 Marios, 2 Zeldas, 2 Metroids, a SSB, a Mario Kart. They put out more than a few first party games.

Sure you can blame Nintendo now, but it was still the best selling console by a large margin last generation. They had no idea, or maybe even no possibility, of keeping that audience. And what might have changed that? I'm not really sure. More non-Wii games, a normal Madden, investing more in second parties, etc.

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Posted by Freauxzen

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Posted on 8/28/14 at 9:44 pm to oauron

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I'm not sure how you can deny it doesn't exist. People like the OP are the norm for current Nintendo fans. They lash out at what's popular despite the complete hypocrisy of it.

That's a bit of overgeneralizing, that's like saying all X1 gamers are bros and just like FPS's. Sure there's a group of those people, let's not kid ourselves, but there are plenty of old school gamers who are huge Halo fans and what not. Nothing wrong with that.

But that sentiment is kind of expected when Nintendo is viewed as "kiddy," by non-fans. Chicken and egg sure (who was at fault first?), but that's where the backlash comes from.

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Posted by sbr2

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Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:26 pm to Freauxzen

EA went with Madden Wii because of the constraints of a gimped console and the results were shown as such. At that point EA probably wasn't aware of how little appeal seriously handicapped games like Madden and other third party titles would have when compared to other consoles.

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Sure you can blame Nintendo now, but it was still the best selling console by a large margin last generation. They had no idea

I can agree that Nintendo embarked on a ingenious path to step away from the arms race of Sony/Microsoft and it completely worked for the Wii. It captured a huge audience.

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keeping that audience.

Is something they have actively tried to do with the Wii U which seems a bit odd now that Miyamoto is essentially criticizing the fickle casual audience that brought Nintendo so much success.

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Posted by Freauxzen

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Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:36 pm to sbr2

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EA went with Madden Wii because of the constraints of a gimped console and the results were shown as such. At that point EA probably wasn't aware of how little appeal seriously handicapped games like Madden and other third party titles would have when compared to other consoles.

The Wii wasn't that much less powerful. They could have made a normal Madden.

That game was abysmal.

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Is something they have actively tried to do with the Wii U which seems a bit odd now that Miyamoto is essentially criticizing the fickle casual audience that brought Nintendo so much success.

Agree and disagree. They wanted the WiiU to attract more fans. What they thought was that the casual gamers they attracted would suddenly become "gamers," or adopt a "gamer" mindset, so they never differentiated in marketing.

You bascailly had to sell the Wii all over again with the Wii U, start from scratch. Then, they might have been slightly more successful. That same kind of campaign, which they only started doing with Mario 3D world.

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Posted by DrSteveBrule

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Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:49 pm to Freauxzen

The Wii was pretty inferior to the 360 and ps3. It was essentially the same hardware as a GameCube, so let's not kid ourselves. I'm a huge nintendo fan but I think they realize they need to change their tact. We don't need some gimmick feature every generation.

ETA: I'll rephrase that. Gimmick features are fine, but don't make them the default, game developers hate that shite.

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Posted by Freauxzen

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Posted on 8/28/14 at 10:54 pm to DrSteveBrule

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The Wii was pretty inferior to the 360 and ps3. It was essentially the same hardware as a GameCube,

But they used the same engine from the PS2 for a couple of years on Madden. They didn't get to the new one until later in the generation. Those things stick.

It was less powerful yes, but it had a higher install base, that could offset higher development costs.

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I'm a huge nintendo fan but I think they realize they need to change their tact. We don't need some gimmick feature every generation.

ETA: I'll rephrase that. Gimmick features are fine, but don't make them the default, game developers hate that shite.

Agree.

A lack of a normal controller as default was a big problem.

They have good ideas, but they get completely stubborn with them sometimes.

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