re: Shigeru Miyamoto has some harsh words for casual gamers

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They may actually be in a better position to take that loss than the other 2.

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They have a lot of money sitting in the bank, but they're business isn't diversified enough to take sustained losses. Also doesn't help that until the Wii U, Nintendo has never reported a loss in any quarter ever.

Edit: I see Freauxzen said the same thing.

That's a great question, perception is a lot of it. They would have to market correctly.

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I think Nintendo needs to serve a niche market with their hardware, or just go entirely to software

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I'd avoid this outcome.

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I think Nintendo should be a high end niche console with no 3rd party developers, more but still few first party releases...I always imagined them becoming the HBO of the gaming industry.

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I'm not sure how profitable that is/ We'll see next year because that's basically what the Wii U is becoming.

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anyway, the moment a Zelda is released I'll have a wii u...my kids will play Nintendo, etc. Miyamoto is a genius, and I don't think he's as renowned as he should be...you ask me who I find more impressive steve jobs or miyamoto...miyamoto

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to that

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Miyamoto is a genius, and I don't think he's as renowned as he should be...you ask me who I find more impressive steve jobs or miyamoto...miyamoto

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If Miyamoto was actually involved in the development of these games still, he would be. He's largely just a figurehead and the projects he's shown recently show exactly why this is the case.

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present and accounted for

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And there's nothing wrong with that either. It's like a movie goer who just wants to see some comedies and action. Or a book reader who just likes Cussler, Brown and Grisham. People have different investment levels in media.

And of course, there are plenty of FPS's that are brilliant. Sports games are a blast (I'd buy Madden every year if it released for WiiU or if it came back to the PC in better form).

You and Threefourthirty should hangout some because you are "real" gamers.

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You and Threefourthirty should hangout some because you are "real" gamers.

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No one is more "real" than anyone else, that's a false narrative, and it isn't what I said either. I didn't say "Faux Gamer," I said "Faux Mature" gamer, emphasis on the "Mature." They're all "gamers."

You can change the term "Gamer," for the last bullet into "Poly-Gamer," whatever. Someone who seeks out any kind of game experience they can find. There are lots of people who don't fall into that category, they like their Madden's and CoD's, and that's about it, save for the occsasional AAA that goes beyond that category. RPG's are too boring. Mario is too kiddy. MOBA's lack skill. Etc. On the flip side, there are plenty of people who JUST like Mario Kart and Mario World, and that's about it. They think FPS's are "too violent," or Madden is the "same game," Open Worlds are "just boring," etc. It goes both ways.

It's the same thing as a difference between a foodie, someone who seeks out unique food experiences which usually cost an arm and a leg, and someone who just likes the latest local hot spot from Emeril. Everyone loves food, some people just like food, the idea and creativity of food, way more than other people.

Just a hypothesis for discussion, I'd say the real idea behind someone who's completely into a subject/media and someone who isn't, is maybe discrimination. "Real" fans don't discriminate ("real" is still a terrible term, I agree). Foodie's seek out the latest and greatest cow testicle recipes. Readers ready anything, regardless of how long or indecipherable it is. The general reader doesn't pick up Infinite Jest on a whim. I mean you can like music, or you can follow Phish around. One isn't like the other. Their passion for something overwhelms any other kind of barrier of entry. That's actually kind of cool to see.

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You can change the term "Gamer," for the last bullet into "Poly-Gamer," whatever. Someone who seeks out any kind of game experience they can find. There are lots of people who don't fall into that category, they like their Madden's and CoD's, and that's about it, save for the occsasional AAA that goes beyond that category. RPG's are too boring. Mario is too kiddy. MOBA's lack skill. Etc. On the flip side, there are plenty of people who JUST like Mario Kart and Mario World, and that's about it. They think FPS's are "too violent," or Madden is the "same game," Open Worlds are "just boring," etc. It goes both ways.

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Just because you don't enjoy some sort of genre doesn't make you less of gamer.

I will play almost anything out there, but won't touch a JRPG because I don't enjoy them.

I also won't play COD and Madden because they are the same rehashed shite, but I still love FPS's and Sports games.

Also you don't have to own every console under the sun to be a better "gamer." That just isn't an option for some people. And not everyone has the amount of time to dedicate to gaming to make it worth it own each one.

I don't like your idea of painting so many people with such a broad brush.

Plus this new "hipster" attitude by WiiU owners is becoming obnoxious.

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Just because you don't enjoy some sort of genre doesn't make you less of gamer.

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Again, "gamer" is probably a bad term. Anyone who plays a game is a gamer.

Not enjoying one genre, sure. Not enjoying a large swath of gaming, that's a problem. Or having weak biases against many genres, yeah. Being discriminating on the front end of anything in terms of games MIGHT be a way to phrase it better. You don't like JRPGs. Fine. But would you at least give one a shot if it had good reviews or killer marketing?

A guy who only likes and watches action movies isn't a film lover. He's an action film lover.

A "gamer," or whatever categorical term you would like to use, is going to immerse themselves in Games. It isn't just about genres, or series, or anything. It's about games. Those people really love games.

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Also you don't have to own every console under the sun to be a better "gamer." That just isn't an option for some people. And not everyone has the amount of time to dedicate to gaming to make it worth it own each one.

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It really just depends. But see that's the thing, a "gamer," again or whatever you want to call it, isn't going to let that stop them, it becomes their hobby (by that definition I'm probably not one anyways, at least not anymore).

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I don't like your idea of painting so many people with such a broad brush.

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I'm not asking you too, but when someone is making sort of theoretical assessment of why or why not their business works, or whether or not they are successful at what they do, then this kind of discussion pops up. Splitting gamers into 4 groups is not broad at all anyways. I mean, sure these aren't important questions, but understanding the motivation of how we spend our free time is interesting.

Plus, it's also about marketing. Entire campaigns are based on demographics, commercial groups, etc. This is normal stuff that businesses already do.

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Plus this new "hipster" attitude by WiiU owners is becoming obnoxious.

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What hipster attitude? The Wii U isn't a very successful console, some people want it to be better. Miyamoto is frustrated as a creator. What's so hipster about that?

These groups have nothing to do with Nintendo and everything to do with how people see games, that's all. And at least from the perspective of someone who kind of grew up with gaming, sometimes it's sad to see the results. That CoD 10 is more treasured than Mario World 3D, that's bad for the industry.

It seems like you don't like the assumption that some people aren't included as "gamers," hence why that's a bad word to use then. I don't know what's more acceptable.

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What hipster attitude?

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I'm not sure how you can deny it doesn't exist. People like the OP are the norm for current Nintendo fans. They lash out at what's popular despite the complete hypocrisy of it.