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re: Section 8 is a curse
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:44 pm to plex
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:44 pm to plex
That's fine if you don't think god is real. Then, it is perfectly fair to believe that rights come from our nature as humans.
If there was no government, then men would still be blessed with those three rights.
If there was no government, then men would still be blessed with those three rights.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 6:46 pm
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So everyone living in the middle east has those right, whether they realize it or not?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:50 pm to plex
quote:The governments there are committing gross human rights violations.
So everyone living in the middle east has those right, whether they realize it or not?
This sums up my views:
quote:
Nature, or rather God, has bestowed upon every one
of us the right to defend his person, his liberty, and his
property, since these are the three constituent or preserv-
ing elements of life; elements, each of which is rendered
complete by the others, and that cannot be understood
without them. For what are our faculties, but the exten-
sion of our personality? and what is property, but an
extension of our faculties?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:52 pm to plex
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This is not going the direction HailHailtoMichigan was hoping for.
I'm as much of a capitalist and individualist as one can be, but I think it's silly to pretend that we have some kind of innate rights granted by the universe.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Nature, or rather God, has bestowed upon every one
of us the right to defend his person, his liberty, and his
property, since these are the three constituent or preserv-
ing elements of lif
So this part is saying, by virtue of human physical capabilities, these things are possible. I don't see how this is any more than a statement of fact, regardless of the 'power' that you deem to have granted said capabilities.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:54 pm to HempHead
quote:Even if we don't, it's an extremely effective way to restrain government.
but I think it's silly to pretend that we have some kind of innate rights granted by the universe.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:55 pm to HempHead
quote:
I'm as much of a capitalist and individualist as one can be, but I think it's silly to pretend that we have some kind of innate rights granted by the universe.
It's not granted by the universe but by creator God.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Even if we don't, it's an extremely effective way to restrain government.
In that sense, I agree. If we establish self-ownership (and all that goes with it), we are better off.
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It's not granted by the universe but by creator God.
I know that's what you believe, Rev, but that's not exactly a convincing argument.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Even if we don't, it's an extremely effective way to restrain government.
If finding an effective way to restrain government is our charge, don't you think there are much better ways of going about doing so than by invoking ancient mythology?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:01 pm to HempHead
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I know that's what you believe, Rev, but that's not exactly a convincing argument.
Well it's very simple. Either rights come from God and are inalienable and constant or they come from man and are arbitrary.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:03 pm to Revelator
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they come from man and are arbitrary.
Well, there you have it.
That doesn't mean that the idea of rights aren't useful.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:23 pm to Tingle
It's just another stupid idea with unintended consequences, like every other horse shite liberal scheme.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:01 pm to Carville
quote:
There's a man in Gonzales that bought up a whole street after he started making it Section 8 because the home values went to crap. He evicted anyone living in the houses that couldn't get Section 8 and has become wealthy, while the street is one of the worst in Ascension Parish. Not only did he do this, but after he failed a couple times, he finally got his son elected Justice of The Peace, who just so happens to handle disputes between landlords and tenants. This guy is a predator scumbag.
Who are you talking about? I'd like to know more. Thanks.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:04 pm to plex
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they have the right to free housing
List the section of the constitution that affirms this.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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God gave us the rights of life, liberty, and property.
No.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:07 pm to Sentrius
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No.
Yes. You might not agree because of your belief system, but you would have to revise history to say otherwise.
quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:13 pm to Sentrius
Where do rights come from then, Sentrius?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:16 pm to Revelator
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
The Declaration of Independence has as much effect on my ideology as the Talmud.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:19 pm to HempHead
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The Declaration of Independence has as much effect on my ideology as the Talmud.
It's not meant to affect you theology. It just shows where the founders believed our rights derived from.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:21 pm to Revelator
quote:
It's not meant to affect you theology. It just shows where the founders believed our rights derived from.
Again, this means little to me other than historical knowledge. I'm not beholden to the ideas of the founders.
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