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re: Somebody argue with this Pat Buchanan article, please.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:56 am to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:56 am to Tigah in the ATL
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White prosecutors have empathized with their race for 250 years.
When we sense it is happening at any time, why don't we all agree to avoid it now?
And when I say "it," I mean bring inappropriate biases to bear on prosecutions. I don't know what you mean by empathize with their race.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 10:57 am
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 10:58 am to trackfan
quote:I don't doubt there were people who would only have been happy had Zimmerman been lynched without a trial.
No, I sure don't, but we do know that George Zimmerman is White, and Holder stiff-armed the foiks demanding his scalp.
But just like in Ferguson, Holder inserted himself into the Zimmerman case and made matters worse.
Holder vows to press federal probe in Zimmerman case
And the reason no federal charges were filed is that there was no federal case against Zimmerman.
Making federal case against Zimmerman could be tall order
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:04 am to Tigah in the ATL
It does seem that some folks get offended whenever Obama and Holder express empathy for Black folks. Ironically, many folks here, including myself, applaud Rand Paul when he tries to empathize with Black folks. Would Obama or Holder have gotten the same applause if they had penned Rand Paul's recent TIME article?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:09 am to L.A.
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But just like in Ferguson, Holder inserted himself into the Zimmerman case and made matters worse.
Holder vows to press federal probe in Zimmerman case
And the reason no federal charges were filed is that there was no federal case against Zimmerman.
Making federal case against Zimmerman could be tall order
But if Holder were truly the hack that you say he is, he would have prosecuted Zimmerman regardless of the facts. He does have that power, and I'll ask again do you think Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would have showed that much restraint?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:09 am to trackfan
quote:Misstated. The "offense" has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and Holder's expressed "empathy." It has to do with a willingness to ignore law in order to corral votes.
It does seem that some folks get offended whenever Obama and Holder express empathy for Black folks.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:10 am to NC_Tigah
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Misstated. The "offense" has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama and Holder's expressed "empathy." It has to do with a willingness to ignore law in order to corral votes.
Corral votes? Examples?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 11:11 am to The Spleen
So little thugs testimonny is gold ?
Have you heard about the New Orleans judge who wrote a 100 page decision that says Eric Holder's justice department was unethical in the way the treated four police ? The basically lied and tried to deceive the judge who then chapped the DOJ'S azz. Guess what, no one was fired, the same anti-cop POS's still work there, and many are probably on this case.
LMAO
Have you heard about the New Orleans judge who wrote a 100 page decision that says Eric Holder's justice department was unethical in the way the treated four police ? The basically lied and tried to deceive the judge who then chapped the DOJ'S azz. Guess what, no one was fired, the same anti-cop POS's still work there, and many are probably on this case.
LMAO
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:09 pm to trackfan
quote:I've never said Holder is a hack. I do think he is obsessed with race, and that he's more concerned with race than he is with justice.
But if Holder were truly the hack that you say he is, he would have prosecuted Zimmerman regardless of the facts. He does have that power, and I'll ask again do you think Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would have showed that much restraint?
Can you give me one example where Holder has inserted himself into an ongoing investigation (like he did with Zimmerman and Ferguson) where the victim was white, or where the perp was black?
What has Holder had to say about this case, for example:
Black cop shoots unarmed white 20 year old
Please understand, I don't think Holder should say anything about the Utah case. But why does he involve himself in one type of investigation (white perp, black victim), and not the other? He's not a race czar. He's the AG of the USA.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:10 pm to L.A.
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Please understand, I don't think Holder should say anything about the Utah case. But why does he involve himself in one type of investigation (white perp, black victim), and not the other? He's not a race czar. He's the AG of the USA.
He's a politician masquerading as AG. His "side" expects him to advance the cause so he picks places and situations to make public stances based upon his politics.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:18 pm to L.A.
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I've never said Holder is a hack. I do think he is obsessed with race, and that he's more concerned with race than he is with justice.
Can you give me one example where Holder has inserted himself into an ongoing investigation (like he did with Zimmerman and Ferguson) where the victim was white, or where the perp was black?
What has Holder had to say about this case, for example:
Black cop shoots unarmed white 20 year old
Please understand, I don't think Holder should say anything about the Utah case. But why does he involve himself in one type of investigation (white perp, black victim), and not the other? He's not a race czar. He's the AG of the USA.
One man's obsession is another man's sensitivity, it's human nature. Black Americans as a whole, are generally more sensitive about race than White Americans. Women as a whole are more sensitive about sexism than Men. Both Jews and Muslims, as a whole, are more sensitive about religion than Chrisitians. As a Black, Roman Catholic male, women telling men jokes, and non-Catholics telling Catholic jokes won't even cause me to raise an eyebrow, but my reaction is entirely different when I hear Black jokes. I also don't understand why you insist on accusing Holder of "inserting himself" into the Zimmerman case, when he did nothing.
EDIT: Bush 41 inserted himself into the Rodney King case. Bush 43 inserted himself into the Terry Schiavo case. The Bushes didn't just talk about these cases, they used their power to act on them. Holder didn't do a damn thing about the Zimmerman case.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 3:15 pm to trackfan
quote:I have no idea what that means. My interest is justice. That's the only side I have here.
One man's obsession is another man's sensitivity
quote:I gave you a link to what Holder did in the Zimmerman case.
I also don't understand why you insist on accusing Holder of "inserting himself" into the Zimmerman case, when he did nothing.
quote:Refresh my memory. I'm not sure what you're referencing here.
Bush 41 inserted himself into the Rodney King case.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 3:35 pm to trackfan
Obama and Holder are supposed to be non racial. We are all Americans. Both have played the race card repeatedly.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:32 pm to baybeefeetz
I voted for Pat Buchanan for President. I think he would have made a fine President. So I guess you could call me a former member of the Buchanan Brigade. His book: The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization from 2002 is very relevant to what this country is facing today.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 4:47 pm to baybeefeetz
Not going to lie but I'd feel a mite strange having discourse with a collection of words viewed electronically.
He's pretty right in most respects, most of the time.
He's pretty right in most respects, most of the time.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 5:48 pm to L.A.
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I have no idea what that means. My interest is justice. That's the only side I have here.
Well, you're the one who claimed Holder was obsessed, and now you're feigning ignorance?
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I gave you a link to what Holder did in the Zimmerman case.
Was Zimmerman charged?
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Refresh my memory. I'm not sure what you're referencing here.
When the local jury acquitted the cops, Bush 41 brought civil rights charges against them to quiet the mob. It's the American way.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 5:50 pm to AU86
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I voted for Pat Buchanan for President. I think he would have made a fine President. So I guess you could call me a former member of the Buchanan Brigade. His book: The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization from 2002 is very relevant to what this country is facing today.
That book was all about race, and yet he gets his panties in a bunch when someone from the left broaches this topic.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 5:50 pm to AU86
double post
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:05 pm to trackfan
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That book was all about race, and yet he gets his panties in a bunch when someone from the left broaches this topic.
So you read it?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 6:06 pm to trackfan
quote:Holder is obsessed about race. That's the thesis of the Buchanan article referenced in the OP. I agree with Buchanan. I agree with the DOJ asst. director (Coates) who publicly accused Holder in 2010 of being obsessed with race.
Well, you're the one who claimed Holder was obsessed, and now you're feigning ignorance?
I understand the premise of this thread What I don't understand is your sentence. "One man's obsession is another man's sensitivity"
quote:Did I say he was charged? Holder interfered. I gave you a link verifying that claim, including his public comments on an ongoing investigation. He has done the same, far worse actually, in the Ferguson case.
Was Zimmerman charged?
quote:So a white president sought justice for a black man AFTER the case had gone to trial and the trial was concluded.
When the local jury acquitted the cops, Bush 41 brought civil rights charges against them to quiet the mob. It's the American way.
That has absolutely ZERO to do with Holder's actions in the Ferguson case.
I asked you this question earlier: When has Holder ever inserted himself into a case, or even publicly spoken out about a case, where the perp was black, and/or the victim was white?
What has Holder said about this case? It happened 11 days ago.
Black cop shoots and kills unarmed 20 year old white man in Utah
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:53 pm to L.A.
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What has Holder said about this case? It happened 11 days ago.
Probably the same thing he has said about the vast majority of police shootings involving an unarmed victim.
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