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re: Why are the Redskins getting so much heat?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:31 pm to DelU249
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:31 pm to DelU249
quote:Offense and discrimination are not the same thing. This is about a name offending people. Not complex, systemic, societal discrimination
do you realize how many black people feel they are discriminated against?
quote:There's real world evidence to counter those claims. The belief or disbelief in certain facts and events shouldn't be compared to this. What's your counter again when someone says something offends them? Can you read their mind?
Even if an opinion or sentiment is possible doesn't mean it is reasonable, with merit, or grounded in reality...individuals are smart, groups are dumb. Do you know how many people believe in JFK conspiracies, UFOs, and 9/11 conspiracies?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 12:48 pm to genro
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Offense and discrimination
precisely, "is it offensive to native americans" meaning "are native americans offended by this"
is one issue
"is it racist"
is another
I'm unconcerned with the first one. It is so fricking irrelevant...The NAACP protested a spaced them hallmark card because they thought "black holes" sounded to similar to "black hos" did they find it offensive? obviously...do I give a shite? nope. Is that card racist? nope. Is that conclusion less meaningful than a black person's with the opposite opinion? nope
are native americans (generally speaking) offended by "redskins"? I don't know. I would imagine so, but I don't come to that conclusion because I think "redskins" is demeaning or nasty. I come to that conclusion because we live in an era obsessed with wrongs committed in the past and outrage over simple things. We are over consumed by cultural sensitivity. Is redskins "racist"? I don't think so. Do my feelings on the subject have less merit because I'm white? nope. And the overwhelming majority of people don't think it's offensive...and I take that as, they don't think it is racist, demeaning, insensitive, etc.
If dan Snyder wanted to change the name because he thought it was...who gives a shite, if he wants to change it because his consumers want it changed...who gives a shite. And that goes the other way as well
however, you cannot find one person who can articulately explain how it is "racist" when a black person says n***A it is not considered racist...one because of the intent (which is valid)...two because they're black (invalid) the first is sufficient
I actually do believe that the "A" in n***a makes a difference, but only because people believe it does...it is used with a different intent, in a different time, in a different context. even with an er...it's all about meaning and context.
words are just phonetic sounds WE attach meaning to...it is similar to money valuation...WE put our faith in currency, WE determine its value...otherwise it's just a piece of paper.
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