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Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Holy Crap
nice pun
Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:39 pm to Sentrius
The difference between Evangelicals and the far leftists, is that the far leftists won't primary Democratic blue dogs who sell them out on issues like oil, wall street, guns, gays and war.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 6:58 pm to Sentrius
The Republican movement away from Christian values will keep Dems in power for years to come.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 7:53 pm to imjustafatkid
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The Republican movement away from Christian values will keep Dems in power for years to come.
Depends, are they moving away from Christians or are they moving away from fringe right wing blow hard christians who want to push social issues non-stop and let everyone know how uneducated they are?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 8:48 pm to notiger1997
Santorum should run. He seems to be the only candidate to get the evangelical vote even though he's a devout Roman Catholic which is sort of cool in that the differences between evangelicals and Roman Catholics are huge. I mean how many evangelicals pray the Hail Mary or see Pope Francis as a leader? How many evangelicals pray the rosary or believe in the intercession of saints?
So I would love to see Santorum run for president just for the potential fireworks. But what's funny is that evangelicals voted for Romney who belongs to a heretical religion but I believe that evangelicals hated Obama so much they just plugged their nose and voted for Romney or stayed home.
I believe that if Romney was just protestant the election would have been closer.
So I would love to see Santorum run for president just for the potential fireworks. But what's funny is that evangelicals voted for Romney who belongs to a heretical religion but I believe that evangelicals hated Obama so much they just plugged their nose and voted for Romney or stayed home.
I believe that if Romney was just protestant the election would have been closer.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 9:22 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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But what's funny is that evangelicals voted for Romney who belongs to a heretical religion but I believe that evangelicals hated Obama so much they just plugged their nose and voted for Romney or stayed home.
I believe that if Romney was just protestant the election would have been closer.
Do you remember when McCain did some interviews with his mother to put to bed the rumors that he'd go senile if elected, and his mother expressed her non-PC views about Mormons?
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 9:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:That large portion would be the black portion.
there are some, but "large portion" is pushing it
Posted on 8/21/14 at 9:50 pm to Sentrius
It's no coincidence that the lessening of Christian influence in our government has coincided with our fall as a nation.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 9:54 pm to constant cough
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Mitt Romney won the independent vote. You think he would have done even better without the evangelical vote?
Alot of people my age (20 to 30s) don't get it. So I will lay it out as simple as I can:
Regardless of what our generation "thinks", there is a history. Once in this country, we had prayer in our schools. It mattered. From the time prayer was removed from schools, you could draw a time line and see a massive difference in people.
Each decade is a little more left than the one before. That has shifted our country and the voting. The 90s child is left of the 70s.
In the most recent General Social Survey, 26% of Millennial generation respondents said they were unaffiliated, as did 21% of Gen Xers. Among Baby Boomers, 15% were unaffiliated – not significantly different from when they were first measured in the 1970s. And just 10% of the Silent Generation said that they were unaffiliated.
Nearly six-in-ten (59%) Silents favor a smaller government. Boomers (54%) prefer smaller government than bigger government. Generation X is divided about evenly: 47% prefer smaller government. Millennials, by contrast, prefer a bigger government providing more services (56%).
Silents vote more conservative.. 46% It drops each generation.. Millennials... 30%
Over all point, When you say "GREAT!!! get the out, we don't care...better off without the Christian vote", it's actually what you have been getting for the past 8 years. Slowly but surely, it's happening.
1- The silents, and boomers are tired of seeing politicians that don't care about their values.
2- The millennials (born 1981 or later) has simply rejected Faith, God, Bible, and are more Liberal.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 10:01 pm to Sentrius
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when they try to push candidates that will legislate morality,
Who do they push that legislates morality? I suspect that they'd merely prefer someone who doesn't actively legislate against morality.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:08 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Old, white, christian
51, check
White, check
Christian - not ashamed of the gospel of Christ
Guess that covers it.
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And where the hell have you been?
Out at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas observing a medical brigade conduct a command post exercise.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:35 pm to darkhorse
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darkhorse
I get what you are saying, however this sect of Christian vote is not what the party needs. They have abandoned the idea of small government to combat the thing you are describing. In order to try and keep the party "right", they have gone "left" to the use of big gov't.
So, I wish this sect of the republican party would go away, because it isn't helping anyone.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:36 pm to Jake88
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Who do they push that legislates morality?
Last election?
Santorum.
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I suspect that they'd merely prefer someone who doesn't actively legislate against morality.
Who nominated on the republican side has actively legislated against morality?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 11:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Santorum.
What legislation did he propose?
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Who nominated on the republican side has actively legislated against morality?
None. I'm just saying that they will support the republicans for the most part as long as they don't nominate a candidate that can be viewed as actively amoral.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:05 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I get what you are saying, however this sect of Christian vote is not what the party needs. They have abandoned the idea of small government to combat the thing you are describing. In order to try and keep the party "right", they have gone "left" to the use of big gov't.
Uhm, no. I am a small government conservative. The fact that I take issue with moral or social issues does not mean I advocate larger government. It means I advocate government that promotes moral behavior, a key facet of good governance. That which contributes to the common good of society. You can disagree with how I define morality, but you cannot reframe the argument to say that I am in favor of larger government.
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:21 am to Sentrius
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Evangelicals in Republican Party are feeling left out, see no standard-bearer
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:42 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I get what you are saying, however this sect of Christian vote is not what the party needs.
I don't think you do. What I'm saying is simple math. The republican party has lost a portion of it's voters due to the party being dragged left of where that block stands.
The Boomers and portions of Genx is staying at home and not voting due to that. Another portion of the genx and the majority of the 80s plus is going liberal due to the lack of Faith, God, and Bible. They are replacing that with .... Government. They do not look towards faith, God, and Bible for answers, they look at government for solutions.
That is leaving a more narrow "market" for republicans.
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So, I wish this sect of the republican party would go away, because it isn't helping anyone.
It goes away, republicans won't win. And with each generation that's going to get worse.
Let me add this. Due to that, the extreme left will continue to transform the system. From judge appointments to transforming the educational system that teaches a more liberal mind set. Let's add a new 11 million "legalized" immigrants who are going to vote... dem.
But hey... let get rid of those pesky Christians because they believe in "fairy tales".
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:47 am to darkhorse
What am I supposed to do if I am not religious and I hate government more than you do?
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:55 am to Wolfhound45
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Uhm, no. I am a small government conservative. The fact that I take issue with moral or social issues does not mean I advocate larger government. It means I advocate government that promotes moral behavior, a key facet of good governance. That which contributes to the common good of society. You can disagree with how I define morality, but you cannot reframe the argument to say that I am in favor of larger government.
This. What the millennials don't understand is that they are viewing things from just their history. Their time on earth. They are a very small part of the voters.
Data from the General Social Surveys (GSS), which have been conducted regularly since 1972, confirm that young adults are not just more unaffiliated than their elders today but are also more unaffiliated than young people have been in recent decades. In GSS surveys conducted since 2000, nearly one-quarter of people ages 18-29 have described their religion as “none.” By comparison, only about half as many young adults were unaffiliated in the 1970s and 1980s.
This isn't hard to grasp.
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