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re: Can Brown's friend be arrested and prosecuted?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:39 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:39 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Can Brown's friend be arrested and prosecuted?
From the autopsy report, Brown was shot while facing the officer.
His friend claimed all the shots were in his back. This has now been shown to be a lie to the police in a potential murder investigation.
And not a small lie or one that could be construed as unintentional it would appear.
The guy wasn't under oath.
Wasn't he in on the robbery?
Seems like they can get him for that. It was such a heinous act I can't believe they haven't picked him up for it yet.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:40 pm
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:43 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Wasn't he in on the robbery?
No, if you look at the video, he didn't participate and when Borwn tried to give him some cigars, he put them back on the counter.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:45 pm to SpidermanTUba
Such a shitty troll
And you know he didn't "rob" anything. He actually set the box of cigarillos back on the counter that MB handed him.
And I don't know if you want to call what MB done as strong arm robbery or simple shop lifting.
And you know he didn't "rob" anything. He actually set the box of cigarillos back on the counter that MB handed him.
And I don't know if you want to call what MB done as strong arm robbery or simple shop lifting.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:48 pm to SuperSaint
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And I don't know if you want to call what MB done as strong arm robbery or simple shop lifting.
"St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch gave the following definition for strong-arm robbery:
"The use of physical force in a robbery. If someone is stealing, and another person makes an attempt to stop them, and then physical force is used to complete the act that is strong-arm robbery.
It's also called 'robbery in the 2nd degree,' and there is no weapon other than physical force used."
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:50 pm to SuperSaint
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And I don't know if you want to call what MB done as strong arm robbery or simple shop lifting.
I think when he threatened the store owner, he crossed the line beyond shoplifting.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:57 pm to trackfan
I think it's ridiculous the police dropped the charges on the other kid. Of course, if your the shop owner you don't want your business targeted which they did anyway. It's why this isn't even about MB anymore. This is about social inequality. The protesters have lost the moral high ground because their cause has been hijacked by street thugs.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:04 pm to trackfan
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No, if you look at the video, he didn't participate and when Borwn tried to give him some cigars, he put them back on the counter.
Seriously? I thought the main attack on his credibility as a witness was that he was involved in the robbery.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Seriously? I thought the main attack on his credibility as a witness was that he was involved in the robbery.
He walked into the store with Brown, but his only crime keeping bad company.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:09 pm to SuperSaint
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And you know he didn't "rob" anything. He actually set the box of cigarillos back on the counter that MB handed him.
And I don't know if you want to call what MB done as strong arm robbery or simple shop lifting.
Didn't he leave the store with Brown and continue to accompany him after the fact?
Doesn't that make him an accessory?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:10 pm to trackfan
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He walked into the store with Brown, but his only crime keeping bad company.
I can imagine he feels lucky he wasn't him that got the bullets.
MB reminds me of a friend I had back in the day who was always wanting to stir up shite with other people and then expected I'd be there to "get his back".
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:13 pm to SpidermanTUba
I bet no one fricked with him, stirring shite or not if you were sporting cargo shorts and they could see that gangsta Shakespeare tat on your leg 
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Seriously? I thought the main attack on his credibility as a witness was that he was involved in the robbery.
I think the credibility issue arises because the guy gave numerous detailed interviews to news media about the events of that day and conveniently omitted any mention of the robbery, saying he "saw and caught up with" Brown on the street as he was walking to his grandmother's house. It wasn't until he went with his attorney to the police dept. several days later and gave his sworn statement that he admitted to being with Brown at the store. (of course, by then the police had seen the video and knew he was there, and we don't know whether the guy made that admission before or after the police confronted him with that evidence.)
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:17 pm to trackfan
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When have the Black Panthers burned anything down? They don't have anything on the Tea Party, not to mention the KKK.
The Black panthers are known for vigorous hate speech and calls for violence against white people. They have also called for the murder of Darren Wilson. The KKK has murdered and intimidated countless black people. The tea party wants lower taxes and less government intrusion. Great comparison there chief.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:24 pm to NHTIGER
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I think the credibility issue arises because the guy gave numerous detailed interviews to news media about the events of that day and conveniently omitted any mention of the robbery, saying he "saw and caught up with" Brown on the street as he was walking to his grandmother's house.
His TV interviews have nothing to do with what he told the police and the FBI.
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It wasn't until he went with his attorney to the police dept. several days later and gave his sworn statement that he admitted to being with Brown at the store. (of course, by then the police had seen the video and knew he was there, and we don't know whether the guy made that admission before or after the police confronted him with that evidence.)
You've got your facts all wrong. Johnson told the cops and the FBI about the cigars days before the video came out. Furthermore, why would Johnson volunteer any information about his friend stealing if it had nothing to do with his encounter with the cops?
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:34 pm to trackfan
quote:i see how Johnson possibly didn't figure it didn't have anything to do with the cops but I highly doubt he felt that way.... I would suspect both he and Big Mike felt that is he reason the cops were there and it has a big reason on the way Big Mike acted. I don't think he would be dead now had he not done what he did at the store. I really believe this. I think it made for a more heightened situation when Wilson pulled up.
Furthermore, why would Johnson volunteer any information about his friend stealing if it had nothing to do with his encounter with the cops?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 12:08 am to trackfan
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It wasn't until he went with his attorney to the police dept. several days later and gave his sworn statement that he admitted to being with Brown at the store. (of course, by then the police had seen the video and knew he was there, and we don't know whether the guy made that admission before or after the police confronted him with that evidence.)
You've got your facts all wrong. Johnson told the cops and the FBI about the cigars days before the video came out. Furthermore, why would Johnson volunteer any information about his friend stealing if it had nothing to do with his encounter with the cops?
My facts are absolutely correct. Not wise to make accusations without checking yours.
Johnson told his story to the media repeatedly, with no mention of the cigars or the robbery, for several days after the August 9th shooting.
After numerous requests from the police, Johnson finally went with his lawyer to give his statement on Wednesday, AUGUST 13th, 4 days after the shooting, .
The video was released to the public on August 15th, but the cops had it for several days before that, as everyone knows.
Here's your proof - read carefully:
"Why Police Haven't Interviewed Michael Brown Shooting Witness Dorian Johnson
By Jessica Lussenhop Tue., Aug. 12 2014 at 4:00 PM - Riverfront Times
LINK
So as of 4 PM on Tuesday, August 12th, he had not yet spoken to police. Undisputed fact.
Now, what have we here?
"Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 12:06 PM PDT
Dorian Johnson (Witness to Murder of Michael Brown) Speaking to FBI and County Prosecutor Today. [/b" - Daily Kos
"A young man who said he was there when a Ferguson police officer fatally shot Michael Brown [b]will talk to authorities today, his lawyer said. "
"Johnson’s lawyer, Freeman Bosley Jr., the former mayor of St. Louis, said this morning he was on his way to pick up his client to talk to the FBI and to St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch."
"Dorian Johnson, 22, has repeatedly told media since Saturday
LINK
As I originally posted, Johnson told one story repeatedly to the media BEFORE he gave his police statement, and then added the robbery/cigar story during his statement to the police. Obviously, both came before the Friday public release of the video, which has nothing to do with what we are talking about. The issue is that Johnson didn't add the cigars/robbery to his story until he was on record officially, 4 days later. He never once told anyone in all of those media interviews a thing about it.
At trial, the defense attorneys play several of the media interviews where Johnson states that he saw Brown walking down the street to his grandmothers and joined him. "Mr. Johnson, you witnessed Mr. Brown robbing/stealing from a convenience store just 12 minutes before the shooting, yet you repeatedly told national media you had just joined Brown in a walk. Are you telling this court that you didn't think that was a relevant fact when speaking to the media, knowing how volatile this matter was?"
That does go to credibility. Omission of material fact is the same as a misleading statement. And it IS "material fact" in that it goes straight to the state of mind of Mr. Brown just just 12 minutes later as the police officer pulled up to him.
I gather my facts - then I post.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:45 am to NHTIGER
I imagine Mr Dorian Johnson will think twice about walking down the middle of the street when a perfectly good sidewalk is available.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:46 am to Crow Pie
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I imagine Mr Dorian Johnson will think twice about walking down the middle of the street when a perfectly good sidewalk is available.
Putting aside the homicide , this shite pisses me off.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:50 am to theenemy
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For lying to police-->yes, but they seldom charge the person.
Only if it's a sworn statement. Unless it's the FBI. You can be prosecuted for making any false statement under any circumstances to the FBI. Never talk to the FBI.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:51 am to baybeefeetz
What about the video that shows no robbery?
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