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The "racial impact" on the war on drugs.

Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:33 pm
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:33 pm
I will agree thT the usage stats don't match the arrest/conviction stats, but here's a question (that is probably non PC):

How much of the racial impact is due to stupidity (smoking in public or dealing to strangers) vs not patrolling as much in white areas?

Serious discussion only.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69358 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:36 pm to
Rand Paul asserts that the "racial" disparity of arrests vs usage is simply caused by the fact that it is MUCH easier to patrol inner cities than cookie cutter suburbs. I agree with him.

White people overwhelmingly live in suburbs, and governments don't invest as much in police force in the burbs as they do in the cities.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423378 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:38 pm to
the amount of non-drug crime, namely violent crime, is a big difference. you will have more cops where you have more violence

this is typically in your areas of poor and/or minorities
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92877 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

The "racial impact" on the war on drugs


quote:

How much of the racial impact is due to stupidity


Did you REALLY just start a thread asking if black people get arrested more because they are stupid?
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:51 am to
quote:

How much of the racial impact is due to stupidity


A lot. Whites are a lot more discrete. They are careful who they let know about their usage and as a result there is less snitching. I've been close to narcotics divisions of law enforcement agencies and the info on black users, dealers, cooks, etc is constant. With whites it's usually the same few people over and over (the dumb ones)

Also, it only takes a few traffic stops in the right area before you find one with a rock, pipe, roach, etc. Seems most whites don't just ride around dirty like that.

Low hanging fruit
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 1:01 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:23 am to
quote:


How much of the racial impact is due to stupidity (smoking in public or dealing to strangers) vs not patrolling as much in white areas?

which race are you presuming is the dumbest?
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 5:24 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 8/12/14 at 8:50 am to
I think the neighborhood has a lot to do with it....and I think that race is not a causation factor as much as education, % of single family households, average AGI, and neighborhood population density.

I think that police are going to have a greater impact in higher crime areas, which are typically lower income neighborhoods where people are less likely to have decent employment, kids are less likely to have adequate adult supervision, and are more likely to do stupid things....making them an easier target for law enforcement. Law enforcement is typically more visible and better equipped in more densely populated urban areas- especially in areas with crime problems.

When I was younger, we were more worried about our parents or a game warden catching us breaking the law than a sheriff's deputy in our sparsely populated rural area. Sheriff's deputies would only come by our area if someone's cattle got lose. They were probably 20+ minutes away on a typical day.....which is in stark contrast to most major cites, where police are always around.
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 9:07 am
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:09 am to
quote:

vs not patrolling as much in white areas?
or stopping white boys to check them out.
Posted by socraticsilence
Member since Dec 2013
1347 posts
Posted on 8/12/14 at 11:51 am to
I do think patrol frequency has something to with it, along with ingrained wealth (you can smoke weed in your house in the suburbs all day long, but if you're in a little tenement you might need to move onto the porch or the balcony or the corner to do the same) , leniency (cops run into some college kids with a bit of weed on them they often confiscate and warn, cops run into the same situation but with a young black male they probably think "dealer" and bust him, etc) and finally the disparities in sentences for the various drugs of choice (meth is the first "white" drug to be treated like say crack-- its not a coincidence that its a drug for poor white people, if stock brokers and sorority girls were smoking meth it'd be a serious but not life altering sentence).
This post was edited on 8/12/14 at 11:54 am
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 8/12/14 at 12:00 pm to
The justice system is really stacked against poor people.

Arrested, can't make bail, need to plead guilty just to get out of jail or wait 6 months in jail for trial.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 8/12/14 at 5:47 pm to
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