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re: This thread is about Mikkel Mix Diskerud and the Crew. I hope Broski approves.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:16 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:16 am to crazy4lsu
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People might not like to hear it, but it's probably on par with MLS.
Can you qualify that?
I'm sure some Norwegian players (Hangeland, Carew etc.) have eventually made the jump to the Premier League, whether directly or via another continental league.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 11:17 am
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Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:20 am to hendersonshands
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Jermaine seems to be doing fine for himself.
I agree. He'll look good wearing the _______ and ______ of _________ in _________ next season.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:32 am to thenry712
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Can you qualify that?
Ha, I can't provide anything other than observations. I think people are obsessed with the MLS becoming a top ten league in the world, when that distinction is especially meaningless because there is no basis of comparison. There are clearly leagues that are better, and there are 2nd tier leagues, and obviously some leagues below. So there isn't any way I can imbue a sense of objectivity. But on sight, I couldn't categorically say the MLS is better than the Tippeligean or vice versa. They are probably in the same bracket.
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I'm sure some Norwegian players (Hangeland, Carew etc.) have eventually made the jump to the Premier League, whether directly or via another continental league.
57 Norwegian players have played in the PL, compared to 37 American players. And neither league has been all that great a developmental jumping ground lately, as the PL has emphasized technique more and more, something which neither the Norwegian's or the Americans are typically known for.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:39 am to crazy4lsu
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57 Norwegian players have played in the PL, compared to 37 American players.
That's not that huge of a difference considering that until the turn of the new millennium we had only a few players playing abroad, and MLS was in its infancy.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:40 am to Sheep
Yeah, moving to Besiktas really hurt his form going into the World Cup. He'll make his money in MLS. Could be the Galaxy.
If you want to cite an example of stupid career moves, there are much better options.
If you want to cite an example of stupid career moves, there are much better options.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 11:50 am to thenry712
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That's not that huge of a difference considering that until the turn of the new millennium we had only a few players playing abroad, and MLS was in its infancy.
I agree, but it also demonstrates that the Norwegians, at one time, were not slouches with regards to developing players. They are in a bit of a pensive period, as are most countries in Europe not keyed into the developmental revolution that is producing results in Western Europe, like in Belgium and Germany, who both invested heavily in youth after Euro 2000.
Frankly, it will take decades for MLS to put 20 more players into the PL (or any top league). It's not an easy feat, regardless of context. The league is slowly improving, but so are other countries.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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Frankly, it will take decades for MLS to put 20 more players into the PL (or any top league). It's not an easy feat, regardless of context. The league is slowly improving, but so are other countries.
Decades? Doubt that.
Sporting Kansas City, by themselves, since the start of 2013 have put 3 players into Europe. Roger Espinoza to Wigan (PL at the time), Uri Rosell to Sporting CP, and Kei Kamara was on loan in the PL but ended up moving to Middlesbrough.
Not to mention, Besler, Zusi, Erik Palmer-Brown, Aurellien Collin, Dom Dwyer, and Chance Myers all could be in Europe right now as well, as they have all been rumored to be leaving in the past year. Dwyer will still probably return to England in the next couple years unless he decides he wants to pursue US citizenship and the USMNT.
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:08 pm to crazy4lsu
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So are other countries
No league in the world is developing as quickly as MLS.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:21 pm to svb
I'm talking about the Premier League specifically. At the current rate, yes it would take decades to put 20 players in the PL, considering the work permit restrictions, and the level of play increasing. For context, that would be a whole international roster of PL level players. We aren't there, and I don't see us being there for a while.
At this point, I haven't seen anything from Dwyer which indicates that he is a PL regular. There have been a string of English Championship level players who do really well in the MLS. EPB has massive upside and looks promising. Collin already floated around 2nd tier European leagues. Zusi and Besler are probably too old to move now, which might have played a role in why they stayed. It's rare for 27 year olds in any lesser league to go abroad. And I would be surprised if any team would take Myers. He's a fairly pedestrian right sided player, uncapped at the senior level, in a position where the US has historically produced very good players (Pope, Dolo, Hedjuk, Sanneh, etc).
At this point, I haven't seen anything from Dwyer which indicates that he is a PL regular. There have been a string of English Championship level players who do really well in the MLS. EPB has massive upside and looks promising. Collin already floated around 2nd tier European leagues. Zusi and Besler are probably too old to move now, which might have played a role in why they stayed. It's rare for 27 year olds in any lesser league to go abroad. And I would be surprised if any team would take Myers. He's a fairly pedestrian right sided player, uncapped at the senior level, in a position where the US has historically produced very good players (Pope, Dolo, Hedjuk, Sanneh, etc).
This post was edited on 8/7/14 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 8/7/14 at 12:24 pm to cheesesteak501
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No league in the world is developing as quickly as MLS.
Because the MLS has the most room to grow. You'd be silly to think the FA's of countries not keyed into the developmental revolution going on in Western Europe aren't busy trying to restructure their whole programs like the Belgians and Germans have.
Posted on 8/7/14 at 2:55 pm to thenry712
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You really don't know anything about the current state of MLS, because you've been abroad. MLS, even as recently as 2010 is entirely different from the league today.
You live abroad, I still watch the MLS hell its on tv here.
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