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re: What should be done about workers who get displaced by technology?
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:11 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:11 pm to Jim Rockford
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You guys are missing the OP's point. We're on the cusp of a different world, a paradigm shift
I don't think we are missing the point. I think we disagree that somehow in the immediate foreseeable future that there will be a complete lack of jobs for anyone.
Beyond that, Greed. There will always be someone who needs to KNOW that he is getting everything he can, and as long as there are humans around to do something, there's more capacity to do whatever.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 3:34 pm
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Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:31 pm to Jim Rockford
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We're on the cusp of a different world, a paradigm shift.. What do you do when there are no jobs to be retrained for, when Everything can be done better and more efficiently by machines, from assembly-line work to truck driving, to architecture, to engineering, to medicine.
Assembly line work has been phasing out in favor of machines for a century now, hasn't it? But there might be more assembly line workers today than there were 50 years ago, because we keep inventing new things that require human hands, and we're making more shite. Truck drivers? They're probably fricked, but if your only skill is driving a truck then you fricked yourself. Architecture and engineering I think will always require humans, because some creativity is required. Medicine probably could eventually be done entirely by machines, but I think people will always prefer humans in these roles.
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That's a hypothetical question now. It may be very real in the next 15-20 years.
People have probably felt that the world has been on this cusp for quite a while. I think we will always be 15-20 years away.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 3:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
When I got home today I noticed that my dog chewed up about 1/4 pound of dry wall on the landing. He just decided to eat it. I'm gonna have to pay some guy who does not have a HS diploma about 100 bucks an hour to fix the wall.
People can make a lot of money with something called... SKILLS.
People can make a lot of money with something called... SKILLS.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:07 pm to Zach
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When I got home today I noticed that my dog chewed up about 1/4 pound of dry wall on the landing. He just decided to eat it. I'm gonna have to pay some guy who does not have a HS diploma about 100 bucks an hour to fix the wall.
People can make a lot of money with something called... SKILLS.
Well, if you can wait 20 years, there should be a lot of displaced workers flooding the drywall market, and it should only cost you $30/hr.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
SFP has had a thread on this in the past,
but one idea that will be seen more and more is a minimum income for all, whether you work or not.
but one idea that will be seen more and more is a minimum income for all, whether you work or not.
This post was edited on 7/30/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:23 pm to TrueTiger
The 40 hour work week is currently propping up jobs right now. Many people do their current jobs in less time than that and dick off the rest of the day but are required to be there. If people actually worked 40 hour weeks in many office environments then many others at said office wouldn't be needed now.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:24 pm to Zach
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When I got home today I noticed that my dog chewed up about 1/4 pound of dry wall on the landing. He just decided to eat it. I'm gonna have to pay some guy who does not have a HS diploma about 100 bucks an hour to fix the wall.
People can make a lot of money with something called... SKILLS.
I have had a job since I was in 7th grade. I have barely ever had to look for one. If you want to work there will always be work. I will always believe that.
Minimum wage, taxes and government handouts are killing many people's drive to work.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 4:33 pm to Korkstand
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We've made it this far, haven't we? Technology has been replacing workers for a long, long time, and even though the pace of advancement is fast, it is still "gradual" on the large scale. I think the workforce will be able to keep up with the rate of change.
the industrial revolution completely crushed some sectors and those workers were not ok.
The risk of doing nothing is political upheavel. If you give people a little that can stop them from changing the system on you.
I think the gov't should have a relatively active role in encouraging people to adjust to change. I think education credits for displaced workers is a great place to start.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 7:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would say that is an individual decision for each person. I would bust my arse learning a new marketable skill if I were them.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Ask the workers that made buggy whips or were whalers in the late 1880's / early 1900's.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:22 pm to DoctorO
quote:They lived in poverty the rest of their lives
Ask the workers that made buggy whips or were whalers in the late 1880's / early 1900's.
Posted on 7/30/14 at 8:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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They lived in poverty the rest of their lives
All of them? well, shame on THEM.
Actually, I suspect these things slowly die away. It is seldom a tsunami of tech advance.
Efficiency creates wealth. The economy is NOT a zero sum game. Wealth creates demand. Demand creates jobs.
Might the slow to recognize / adapt suffer? YES! Just like organisms that are slow to adapt die out. It may be lamentable. But, not anything that is valuable enough to force anyone to do anything about it.
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