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re: Marriage Equality Argument - Pretty good point
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:16 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:16 pm to Wolfhound45
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However, no matter how much you want to permit same sex couples to join in unions, they still won't be married.
Huh? If the government says they're married, they are married. Just because you don't wish to accept that or refuse to acknowledge that has absolutely no bearing on it. They are married.
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Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:17 pm to weagle99
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Why should couples who can't produce children have any type of tax break?
Adoption is expensive
Raising kids is VERY expensive
Not raising kids is Very Very expensive
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:22 pm to ApexTiger
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Well the church is out based on bible standards.
I created a church based on the standards of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.... He says that marriage should be only between same sex couples. So why isn't my churches religious beliefs recognized?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:22 pm to Toddy
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Huh? If the government says they're married, they are married. Just because you don't wish to accept that or refuse to acknowledge that has absolutely no bearing on it. They are married.
My friend, that was the entire point of the exchange that took place. The speaker was pointing out no matter how much you want it to be marriage, it is not marriage. It is a union. Nothing more, nothing less.
Are you able to file jointly with your partner? That was the crux of the matter. And he explained why they were not. They are in a union, but not married. You are proposing that we re-define marriage. Continue to argue your point. That is your prerogative.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Anderson employs a very similar argument that people did when slaves were claiming they were being denied rights.
Just substitute "personhood" with "marriage". "Well Mr. Slave, you are not being denied rights because you are not a person".
Or woman
"Well Mrs. Suffragette, you are not being denied rights because voting is reserved for men"
Did you listen to the video clip? He made no such argument.
The argument slaves were not people was on its face wrong and at the time it was made was recognized as wrong by most of the population. Simple science could prove that.
Marriage has been at its core a relationship of man and woman throughout history. There was a limited recognition of same sex relations but they were not recognized as marriages. Marriage was Man:woman.
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:26 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:He absolutely did. He claimed that no discrimination exists because the gay man has just as much of a right to enter into a marriage contract as a straight man. He is assuming that marriage has a concrete, timeless definition.
Did you listen to the video clip? He made no such argument.
It is no different than pro-slavery folks saying that personhood has a concrete, timeless definition, and slaves aren't a part of it, so there is no discrimination.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:27 pm to Lsut81
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I created a church based on the standards of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.... He says that marriage should be only between same sex couples. So why isn't my churches religious beliefs recognized?
Same reason same sex is apposed... you are working outside of God's word... That never works
Did your Spaghette Monster claim to have created all life?
People make up stuff all the time under this umbrella of freedom... Just like Gay marriage was once a laughable idea...now people are scared to call it sin.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:27 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
I've been saying that gay marriage is not fair to polygamist.
If you support gay marriage you HAVE to support polygamist marriage or you are nothing but 100% hypocrite.
If you support gay marriage you HAVE to support polygamist marriage or you are nothing but 100% hypocrite.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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He is assuming that marriage has a concrete, timeless definition.
He was saying that marriage has a definition NOW, and the questioner wants to change that definition.
Why don't proponents come out and say 'we want to redefine marriage?'
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:29 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
I am uncomfortable with the idea that government can legislate "love".
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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He claimed that no discrimination exists because the gay man has just as much of a right to enter into a marriage contract as a straight man
yep he does, all gays have that right.
quote:The Lord Jesus spoke about it..
He is assuming that marriage has a concrete, timeless definition.
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It is no different than pro-slavery folks saying that personhood has a concrete, timeless definition, and slaves aren't a part of it, so there is no discrimination.
We ended slavery and all those folks are dead
Where are you going with this?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:30 pm to ApexTiger
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Same reason same sex is apposed... you are working outside of God's word... That never works
I see, so you're god is the only god that matters....
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Did your Spaghette Monster claim to have created all life?
What if he did... There's no way to prove/disprove it just like there no way to prove your gods claims
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:31 pm to TrueTiger
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If you support gay marriage you HAVE to support polygamist marriage or you are nothing but 100% hypocrite.
I do... I support anything grown, consenting adults want to do in their bedrooms or want to call themselves.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:32 pm to Lsut81
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I see, so you're god is the only god that matters....
There is only one God my friend.
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What if he did... There's no way to prove/disprove it just like there no way to prove your gods claims
In your prior post you admitted that you made him up
This post was edited on 7/28/14 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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He is assuming that marriage has a concrete, timeless definition.
Yes, he is. And you admit that you are attempting to re-define that (as you mentioned in an earlier post). Fair enough.
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It is no different than pro-slavery folks saying that personhood has a concrete, timeless definition, and slaves aren't a part of it, so there is no discrimination.
This is where your argument begins to weaken. You are focused on slavery in the United States that was (for the most part) racially based. The reality is, that is not the historical position. Just to be accurate.
I do (partially) agree with the analogy though. The Founding Fathers stating that a person was not a entirely a person was wrong and later corrected.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:36 pm to Lsut81
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I do... I support anything grown, consenting adults want to do in their bedrooms or want to call themselves.
Well, just like Bauchman hinted at today, children get pulled into this web of "Consenting" adults.
Look we are sinful beings, we need boundaries in our society .
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:51 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
I'm guessing the people that say marriage should be left up to the church don't realize marriage predates Christianity?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 7:52 pm to Cockopotamus
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I'm guessing the people that say marriage should be left up to the church don't realize marriage predates Christianity?
Marriage predates Christianity. Period.
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:02 pm to ApexTiger
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There is only one God my friend.
Says who? You? Your book?
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In your prior post you admitted that you made him up
And what if someone made up your god?
Posted on 7/28/14 at 8:04 pm to Wolfhound45
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Marriage predates Religion
FIFY.
There's a valid public interest in it as a secular institution to be regulated as a form of a social contract between two consenting adults.
There's no realistic way of getting gov't "out of marriage" when it was a secular institution to begin with.
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