the initial rollout was, the final outcome vindicated the administration, and the numbers are still getting better...over 10 million people have signed up thru the exchanges.

any credit or help from Republicans to make the law better and more accessible...nope they have tried 57 times to repeal it and ran negative Obamacare ads more than 30 times than their counterparts and are still running them.

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The political targeting of opponents using the IRS is an abomination. That is beyond question to any reasonable observer. What isn't clear is the link to the White House. Regardless, it happened on his watch and he simply does not acknowledge any need to improve this situation

and yet its been shown in hearing after hearing that progressive groups were targeted for review just as much conservative groups and you still came to argue this because that little fact will never be mentioned anywhere in the bubble Republicans live in.

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Benghazi

Honestly not an issue I care about as much as some; but you can't see how this reflects poorly on the administration?

Tell that to Darrel Issa who is still convening a special committee some non existent stand down order wasting I think so far 135 million dollars.

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Posted by BigJim

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Posted on 7/28/14 at 2:51 pm to Cruiserhog

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and yet its been shown in hearing after hearing that progressive groups were targeted for review just as much conservative groups and you still came to argue this because that little fact will never be mentioned anywhere in the bubble Republicans live in.

Hate to continue derailing a thread, but I cannot let this nonsense go unchallenged:

Yes some progressive groups were reviewed. But NO, they were not targeted in the same proportion as right-wing groups and NO they did not face the same hassles:

Polifact says you are wrong

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Rep. Sandy Levin, D-Mich., the ranking member of the House Ways and Means committee asked Inspector General J. Russell George why he singled out all the mentions of conservative groups, but did not note in his investigation liberal groups were scrutinized as well.

George replied that the investigation wasn’t only looking at which groups were flagged. Progressive groups were on a different lookout list that "did not include instructions on how to refer cases that met the criteria." However, the lookout list for tea party groups did, and also resulted in delayed processing and unnecessary questioning of those groups, such as inquiries into their donors.

George also noted that while 16 groups with "progressive" in the name showed up among the 298 cases, that represented just 30 percent of all "progressive" applications. That is in stark contrast to groups with "tea party," "patriot," or "9/12" in their name, of which 100 percent saw their applications held up.

Finally, George said his investigation found "multiple sources of information corroborating the use of tea party and other related criteria ... we found no indication in any of these other materials that ‘progressives’ was a term used to refer cases for scrutiny for political campaign intervention."

So some progressive and liberal groups may have been flagged, and others may have ended up getting swept in the searches run by the Cincinnati office because their names had certain buzz words or phrases, but they didn’t get put through the ringer, at least on par with tea party groups.

But feel free to live in your "liberal" bubble.

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