re: When/How do we start punishing parents for disasterous parenting?

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socially ostracizing and criticizing is a possible avenue. we've gone WAY the opposite way. shame has disappeared from our society and pride has been dissolved.

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This is the big thing missing from today's culture and is responsible for greasing the skids to the cultural disaster we have today.

I am an old fart - soon to be 76 - and when I grew up, society was much more polite - more caring of one another - less forgiving of idiocy, especially that involving children. Neighbors were quick to correct other's children who misbehaved or engaged in dangerous habits. Including spanking them as immediate corrective input.

Don't even bother yelling 'child abuse' at me - kids grew up to be well adapted members of a polite and industrious and caring society. And anyone who truly abused a kid would not make it thru the next day without getting his own arse-kicking.

Were there occasional abuses? well of course. In all human activities there are examples of wrong-doing, from minute to gross, and there always will be. However, overall, the nation was healthier, happier and more productive - and far fewer gross abuses than what we have today under the guise of more government control of every aspect of our lives.

When a culture loses the capacity for shame, and encourages every form of idiotic behavior under the religious tenet of 'diversity' and reliance on the 'government' to make sure no one ever gets their 'feelings' hurt, then we have what we have today.