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re: St. Louis Cards Fans: What is your opinion of Taveras at this point?

Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:38 pm to
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96014 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:38 pm to
I would not trade taveras for price.
Posted by Ruxin
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2012
1071 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:43 pm to
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since CG's aren't as common



Didn't Darvish just throw his first CG as a big leaguer a few weeks ago? I don't think CG's would be a problem with him.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:54 pm to
Incorrect. He can opt out at the end of 2016 if he meets the requirements.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:56 pm to
He missed out on a couple of no-hitters in the 9th inning if I remember correctly and was then replaced afterwards. He's a strikeout pitcher and for the most part, they tend to rack up high pitch counts. That Texas heat doesn't do him any favors as well.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 4:58 pm
Posted by Louie T
htx
Member since Dec 2006
36320 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:58 pm to
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But if you could make a deal whereby Darvish and Tavares are the main pieces, maybe add Shelby and either Profar or Odor as well, in?

Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 4:59 pm to
Going in dry with a BBC.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:37 pm to
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He can opt out at the end of 2016 if he meets the requirements


His deal was for five years with a player option for a 6th. He signed in 2012, 2016 would be the end of the original five year deal.

But the contract also allows him to opt out after four years if he either wins the Cy Young or finishes in the top 3 for three of the first four years.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 7:40 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65834 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:41 pm to
I would not trade Oscar for anyone available.

Opposite of what we need.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:44 pm to
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Didn't Darvish just throw his first CG as a big leaguer a few weeks ago?


Yes, but in the AL you need more CG's from starters since you aren't keeping extra ones on staff due to pinch-hitting for the pitcher, like you do in the NL.

Darvish's big problem with Texas is that he can't beat Oakland--the team that you have to beat to win the division or at least get a playoff spot. And with the Rangers well out of playoff contention--for this year and easily the next 6-8 given the number of bad contracts they took on--he won't be making the playoffs with this team.

The Rangers should be getting what they can for Darvish, Beltre, anyone on their team that another team may want. So far their entire deal-making has been Jason Frasor for another never-was.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:45 pm to
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He missed out on a couple of no-hitters in the 9th inning if I remember correctly and was then replaced afterwards.


True but that was so he could reach a milestone (the first was the perfect game lost on the 27th batter, the other was a no-hit bid).

Usually we're lucky to get 7 out of him.
Posted by Ruxin
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2012
1071 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:00 pm to
I'm not a fan of the rangers but I disagree. They'll be back in the playoff hunt next year. Bookmark it.
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:04 pm to
LINK

As I was saying... after 2016.
Posted by SCUBABlake
RIP WT6
Member since Jan 2008
40338 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:06 pm to
You haven't learned your lesson by now?
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9330 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:08 pm to
I told myself that after the first comment but then I just couldn't help myself.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
14054 posts
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:09 pm to
for yu, it would cost at least tavarez/martinez/???


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