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re: St George organizers fail to get enough signatures for Nov vote
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:46 pm to Asgard Device
Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:46 pm to Asgard Device
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I checked around and yes, the city is going to sue to stop the incorporation. At first I was flabbergasted because this only turns people against the city-parish, but after given some of the reasons why I sort of understand.
Apparently, the St. George politicians have been collecting money to run a political campaign to effect change in policy or law. However, they have done so as a private, for-profit business - and are not disclosing their financials.
The La Board of Ethics is part of the political machine that is bankrolling LR3 and senator Boss Hogg, so they will not go after the St. George organizers. However, they have set a precedent already by going after teachers who donated money to a group that was trying to get a petition filled out. The petition in question was to recall Jindal. They've interpreted the law to be very discretionary.
There were other reasons given. One SG "community organizer" used his position as head of the union at the fire dept to campaign, on public property. There's one incident where a firefighter allegedly felt pressured to help out even though he was against it.
The courts will have to hear this one out, so yeah, it'll be tied up in court. I'd actually rather it go to a vote.
Huh? Particularly the bold part
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 4:46 pm to Asgard Device
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Correct. There's no legal requirement to be a city. The partisan democrats that voted against it will never support it. Never.
True; however, the legislature has never denied an incorporated jurisdiction their own school district. Precedent was the motivation for the St. George movement.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:13 pm to Asgard Device
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If you collect money to campaign for specific ballot initiative and collect over certain amount of money, then yes.
There is nothing on the ballot as of now. There is no campaign finance disclosure requirement for now. And nice of you to throw insults at me then change the subject after I disproved your attack on my statement.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:24 pm to Sprocket46
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There is nothing on the ballot as of now. There is no campaign finance disclosure requirement for now.
There was nothing on the ballot when the board of ethics went after teachers who gave money to the petition to recall Bobby Jindal.
Precedent set. Let the courts decide.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:30 pm to Asgard Device
What right does anyone have to deny a group of teachers the ability to recall an official?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:32 pm to doubleb
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Posted by doubleb What right does anyone have to deny a group of teachers the ability to recall an official?
The petition campaign was subject to campaign disclosure laws and the teachers unknowingly failed to comply with them. They basically submitted their financial disclosure paperwork after the deadline.
This post was edited on 7/23/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 5:35 pm to Sprocket46
Love this loophole. Why turn in the thing with an unlimited timeline to collect money? And not just collect it, but spend it however they want with no regard for who donated. The organizers could theoretically just take your money and spend it on hot air balloons for all we know. And they might not even care.
Its actually a really tried and true scheme. Get some fanatics with awful rhetoric and spend their donations on whatever. Some folks could point to happening all throughout history.
Its actually a really tried and true scheme. Get some fanatics with awful rhetoric and spend their donations on whatever. Some folks could point to happening all throughout history.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:20 pm to Asgard Device
"Once the petition reaches the threshold necessary to trigger an election, then and only then would they need to organize a political committee, and only the expenditures of the newly-formed political committee would be subject to disclosure. "
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Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:29 pm to Asgard Device
I still say that was wrong and a violation of their rights.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:29 pm to Sprocket46
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"Once the petition reaches the threshold necessary to trigger an election, then and only then would they need to organize a political committee, and only the expenditures of the newly-formed political committee would be subject to disclosure. "
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Yeah, keep going. " At this point, of course, half of the game is already over; most of the money has already been spent. For some reason, the Ethics Administration does not treat recall campaigns against elected politicians with the same flexibility. It’s worth noting: A couple of years ago, when a group of citizens launched a recall petition against Governor Bobby Jindal, they were fined by the Ethics Administration for failing to report their expenditures. To be sure, the thresholds are different, but there does seem to be some discretion built into the law. La. R.S. 18:1486"
Literally the next following sentences voice the concerns made in the thread.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:32 pm to Barrymanalow
You sure have some strange ideas. Just to us you are against SG and quit making up these wild scenarios.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:32 pm to Barrymanalow
Concerns aren't law. If people are worried about expenditures, they should be looking at what the city has done, and is spending, to stop us.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:40 pm to doubleb
What did I make up?
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:41 pm to Sprocket46
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If people are worried about expenditures, they should be looking at what the city has done, and is spending, to stop us.
I love that the SG supporters are so against private citizens and businesses from having the right to choose what city they want to be in.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:44 pm to Sprocket46
The cool thing is that we, or you, absolutely can. But having people run a political group that you support without disclosing finances is a concern. For you.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I love that the SG supporters are so against private citizens and businesses from having the right to choose what city they want to be in.
I'm not sure how your statement relates to what I said. I'm referring to MOP among other things. There is a legal process for annexations, and as long as the law is followed I have no issue with it.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:46 pm to Barrymanalow
First you come on here and post that SG people are unethical and they dupe people into signing their petition and next you sat they are organizing a campaign to solicit money for an election they really don't want to happen so they can spend the funds they raise.
You say this without anything to support your allegations .
You say this without anything to support your allegations .
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:49 pm to doubleb
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First you come on here and post that SG people are unethical
He has a point.
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next you sat they are organizing a campaign to solicit money for an election they really don't want to happen so they can spend the funds they raise.
No, he didn't. He said it's shady that they won't release a budget statement.
He has a point.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:50 pm to Sprocket46
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I'm not sure how your statement relates to what I said. I'm referring to MOP among other things. There is a legal process for annexations, and as long as the law is followed I have no issue with it.
What money has been spent by BR to "stop SG"? Other than being forced to defend a lawsuit filed by Woody Jenkins.
Posted on 7/23/14 at 6:52 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I love that the SG supporters are so against private citizens and businesses from having the right to choose what city they want to be in.
There is no right to be annexed. Cities can accept who they want and reject those they don't want. That hasn't changed.
And when annexations occur it needs to be done in a lawful manner.
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