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re: Obamacare, not so fast
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:17 am to FalseProphet
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:17 am to FalseProphet
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I don't think either of them are hacks.
actually they are prbly quite the opposite as they seem to be two of the intellectual leaders of the court.
Dissents are very good things as are split decisions. There is a reason that 9-0 decisions are quite rare
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:18 am to FalseProphet
Scalia's dissents rarely, if ever, revolve around clear and unambiguous language - which is exactly what we have here.
I won't make any comments on Ginsburg other that to state the obvious - worst and most biased Justice in the history of the Court.
I won't make any comments on Ginsburg other that to state the obvious - worst and most biased Justice in the history of the Court.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:21 am to MMauler
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Scalia's dissents rarely, if ever, revolve around clear and unambiguous language - which is exactly what we have here.
I won't make any comments on Ginsburg other that to state the obvious - worst and most biased Justice in the history of the Court.
Well this post doesn't reveal what side of the aisle you side with or anything.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:24 am to MMauler
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worst and most biased Justice in the history of the Court.
certainly that has nothing to do with your political ideology does it?
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Scalia's dissents rarely, if ever, revolve around clear and unambiguous language
that seems to be what most of his dissents revolve around in my experience. he gets pissed that the majority didn't use plain meaning. or his interpretation of the plain meaning.
But scalia can be a hack and biased as well as any of them. He can be quick to drop his plain meaning if it no longer fit his narrative. plus rarely you see a judge make personal attacks in dissents but Scalia is quite quick to do so.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:27 am to Truckasaurus
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So you guys are cheering on the potential of millions of people losing their help to pay for insurance
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:44 am to Jim Rockford
Ye Ye!
Circuit Split!
Circuit Split!
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:47 am to FalseProphet
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There really is no logical reason to restrict subsidies to just state-run exchanges.
Congress was likely assuming that no state would ever turn down money for its citizens and that they would all set up exchanges.
It never occurred to them that this many states would stand against it. It just goes to show how out of touch Washington is.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:47 am to FalseProphet
Supreme Court coming up fast!
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:47 am to FalseProphet
The lead-in to the 4th Circuit Opinion.
I guess it's not as clear as many of you seem to think. If anyone is keeping count, that's 4 judges to 2 in favor of ambiguity.
Here's the Opinion.
In this case, it's a Clinton/Bush appointee (recess appointment by Clinton - nominated by Bush), and two Obama appointees.
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The plaintiffs-appellants bring this suit challenging the validity of an Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) final rule implementing the premium tax credit provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (the “ACA” or “Act”). The final rule interprets the ACA as authorizing the IRS to grant tax credits to individuals who purchase health insurance on both state-run insurance “Exchanges” and federally-facilitated “Exchanges” created and operated by the Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”). The plaintiffs contend that the IRS’s interpretation is contrary to the language of the statute, which, they assert, authorizes tax credits only for individuals who purchase insurance on state-run Exchanges. For reasons explained below, we find that the applicable statutory language is ambiguous and subject to multiple interpretations. Applying deference to the IRS’s determination, however, we uphold the rule as a permissible exercise of the agency’s discretion. We thus affirm the judgment of the district court.
I guess it's not as clear as many of you seem to think. If anyone is keeping count, that's 4 judges to 2 in favor of ambiguity.
Here's the Opinion.
In this case, it's a Clinton/Bush appointee (recess appointment by Clinton - nominated by Bush), and two Obama appointees.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:48 am to FalseProphet
The only ones that matter are the 9 in the SCOTUS
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:49 am to FalseProphet
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Circuit Split!
Dammit, wasn't this the reason the BCS was created?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:49 am to Jim Rockford
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You realize this will energize millions of voters who might otherwise have been apathetic.
Nothing energizes dimocratix more than free money. That has been the case for my entire lifetime.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:53 am to FalseProphet
I guess the 4th Cicuit attended government schools. Those frickers can't comprehend plain black an white English.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:15 pm to TrueTiger
Will John Roberts take the opportunity to correct his grievous mistake?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:20 pm to udtiger
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Will John Roberts take the opportunity to correct his grievous mistake?
I'm betting he doesn't. Just like renaming it a tax, he will give cover to the IRS to implement as they have been.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:33 pm to FalseProphet
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I guess it's not as clear as many of you seem to think. If anyone is keeping count, that's 4 judges to 2 in favor of ambiguity
Oh no - it's clear. When the Obama/Clinton appointees admit that the "common sense" reading would lead to the opposite conclusion, you know you better put your hipboots on because the bullsh#t is going to be deep. I was literally laughing out loud as I read this biased and intellectually bankrupt drivel.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:39 pm to MMauler
If the en banc ruling reverses the three judge panel, the 1st and 4th circuits will be in agreement, and SCOTUS may decide not to hear it.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:40 pm to Jim Rockford
Nah, they'll take this one. Scalia has said before that the court needs to take a case to establish how clear something needs to be to be unambiguous.
This would be a great case.
This would be a great case.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:55 pm to FalseProphet
The Supreme will take the case.
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