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re: ATL Thread 7/21: Return of El Oso
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:49 pm to crimsonian
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:49 pm to crimsonian
Once again, they were smart enough to save their closer on the road. Smart call.
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Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:50 pm to crimsonian
You say shite all the time that is opposite of reality. I honestly thought you were trolling for awhile but I've seen you post it enough now to know you're not.
I'm sorry if that hurts your e-feelings.
I'm sorry if that hurts your e-feelings.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:52 pm to okietiger
We have the 3rd best bullpen in our division. See how that works dickhead.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:53 pm to okietiger
Our 1-3 hitters end up 0 for 15.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 9:54 pm to bigbenlsu
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:01 pm to okietiger
2013 bullpen ERA = 2.46
2014 bullpen ERA = 3.20
Wow, the eye test matches the numbers.
2014 bullpen ERA = 3.20
Wow, the eye test matches the numbers.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 10:45 pm to crimsonian
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2014 bullpen ERA = 3.20
Which is still 9th best in the majors and 5th best in the NL. And they have a 2.93 ERA in July. The bullpen is not the problem. They also have the best FIP in the majors this season.
ETA: Their FIP this year is actually lower this year than last, implying that the defense behind them has been worse or they've simply been more unlucky this year than last.
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:41 pm to crimsonian
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We have the 3rd best bullpen in our division. See how that works dickhead.
You could make that case if you look at ERA and nothing else. Going by WAR, the Mets have the worst bullpen in baseball. The Braves' bullpen is 0.1 behind the Nationals' going by WAR. As stated already, the Braves' bullpen has the best FIP in baseball which does a better job of isolating pitching performance than ERA since it accounts for fielding differences between different teams. The Braves also have the best xFIP in the division (similar to FIP but replaces a pitcher's home run total with an estimate of how many home runs they could be expected to give up based on the league average home run-to-fly ball rate). The Braves bullpen is also second best in the division at forcing ground balls at 46.6%, with a GB% just 0.5% behind the Mets. You might think that such a high GB% means they aren't striking a lot of guys out, but the Braves' bullpen has the best K/9 in the division at 9.43. All of these numbers include Avilan who was terrible. The Braves' bullpen has also pitched the third fewest innings in the majors, so they can be expected to be relatively fresh down the stretch compared to other teams.
To summarize, if you look at nothing but ERA, then you could say that the Braves have the third best bullpen in the division. But digging a little deeper reveals that they are arguably the best bullpen in the division and can be expected to actually have a lower ERA during the remainder of the season than they have thus far.
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:48 pm to Patron Saint
Your stats make me want to blow my brains out. frick, baseball used to be fun
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:55 pm to Tiger1242
Ok I'm done starting for a while
Posted on 7/21/14 at 11:59 pm to Tiger1242
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Your stats make me want to blow my brains out. frick, baseball used to be fun
Sorry for using facts to show that the Braves' bullpen has been good this year instead of using no evidence at all to say they suck. An anonymous person posting stats on a message board shouldn't take away from your enjoyment of baseball.
ETA: I wasn't really expecting anyone to read my post carefully. The point was just that actually digging deeper shows the bullpen has been really good and can actually be expected to have a better second half than first half.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 12:01 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:35 am to Patron Saint
You could look at WAR and see that 2013 it had a 5.0 while in 2014 it is 3.1. No matter how hard you guys try, the Braves bullpen is worse this year. That was the original argument. Eye test and all the stats back it up. Sorry, but still waiting for the time you guys admit you are wrong. I'm sure that won't happen.
By the way, the only way our bullpen will get better is if we trade for some.
By the way, the only way our bullpen will get better is if we trade for some.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 7:37 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 7:51 am to crimsonian
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You could look at WAR and see that 2013 it had a 5.0 while in 2014 it is 3.1.
Dude. WAR accumulates. They're on pace for a 5.1 WAR by the end of the season.
Even so, I'm not trying to make the argument that the bullpen is better or worse this year. I'm saying that the bullpen is not the problem. The problem is the offense and the fact that our bench is terrible. The starting eight probably won't change, but the bench needs to be improved. DFAing/trading Schafer and calling up Cunningham would be a start. And calling up Gosselin to replace Pastornicky once ten days have passed would be a good move.
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all the stats back it up.
Nope
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:38 am to Patron Saint
Please show me where our bullpen is better this year compared to last year. You stat guys can't admit when you are wrong, even when the stats prove it.
WAR accumulates but can drop. it accumulated down to 3.0 last night. 
what pace are they on now?
WAR accumulates but can drop.
it accumulated down to 3.0 last night. what pace are they on now?This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:43 am to crimsonian
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Please show me where our bullpen is better this year compared to last year.
Scroll up. You said all the stats show that the bullpen is worse this year. All the stats don't show that. In fact, many stats show the opposite. You also said our bullpen is third best in the division which is definitely not an open and shut case, and the main thing I was arguing against.
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You stat guys can't admit when you are wrong, even when the stats prove it.
The stats don't prove it at all. You stats haters refuse to acknowledge or use facts to back yourselves up.
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what pace are they on now?
Always good to use day to day fluctuations to make a case for a 162-game season. To humor you, they are now on pace for 4.9 WAR, which would be a very small drop from last year. Looking at FIP still shows that the bullpen has just been unlucky compared to last year.
This is a good bullpen with a lot of very young power arms. The one guy I would like to see gone is Carpenter.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:45 am to Patron Saint
You haven't showed one stat where they are better. At least they are unlucky.
By the way we are 18th in the month of July in WAR.
By the way we are 18th in the month of July in WAR.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:00 am to crimsonian
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You haven't showed one stat where they are better.
Ok. No point in repeating myself over and over. Have a nice day. Go Braves.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:02 am to Patron Saint
Go Braves. But still no stat where they are better than last year.
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