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re: MH17 & Putin - What If?

Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
9493 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:17 pm to
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If Putin does not agree to ALL the above terms, the US and NATO would do the following:
A. Full economic sanctions against all sectors of the Russian economy
B. An offer for Ukraine to join NATO
C. Delivery of weapons and other “lethal aid” to the Ukrainians
D. Send Military Advisors and/or Special Operations forces to the Ukraine to help train their forces and provide intelligence
E. Forward-deploy ground forces into Eastern Europe (I think the Poles and Czechs would welcome this). Also, re-establish the missile defense sites in Eastern Europe (time to burn that "reset" button).

This is an overreaction that would de-stabilize Eastern Europe and cause the Russians to righfully freak the f*ck out. Russians are generally distrustful and terrified of foreigners in their backyard, and this provocation would not end well.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96435 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:19 pm to
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Russians are generally distrustful and terrified of foreigners in their backyard, and this provocation would not end well.


Russia's been provoking the frick out of the former Russian Republics and satellite nations like Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, etc., for the past decade.

They shouldn't be surprised when someone provokes them in return.
Posted by NWHoustonTiger
Cypress, TX
Member since Sep 2010
659 posts
Posted on 7/18/14 at 1:59 pm to
If this incident had happened in a vacuum, I would not advocate for the 5 points I outlined in my original post, which I agree can and should be interpreted as "provocative." However, ever since the Russian invasion of Georgia, the US and Europe have treated Russia with kit gloves. Putin has interpreted our tolerance as weakness, and he has only grown emboldened.

I realize comparisons to Nazi Germany and World War II are viewed as either simplistic or unenlightened by the self-styled foreign policy experts on this board, but I can't help but think about Hitler's comments about his invasion of The Rhineland in 1936 - “The forty-eight hours after the march into the Rhineland were the most nerve-racking in my life….If the French had then marched into the Rhineland, we would have had to withdraw with our tails between our legs, for the military resources at our disposal would have been wholly inadequate for even moderate resistance.” All the French (the most powerful military in continental Europe at the time) had to do was mount a show of force and Hitler would've fled the Rhineland in disgrace.They could have neutered Hitler without firing a shot; all they had to do was (figuratively) stand their ground.

The time has come to flex our muscles and emasculate Putin a little bit on the world stage. We've tried the other way, and it hasn't turned out well thus far.
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