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re: Does Welter prove his haters wrong this season?

Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:52 pm to
Posted by SouthdownsTiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 1:52 pm to
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So by your logic, coaches or incapable of error.


Nope, just that the odds of them knowing better than some of us armchair fans are about 100-1.
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:11 pm to
That is a fact.
Coaches should be expected to know more than those of us who are not exactly involved with the team.

However, I'll take my chances that my thoughts on Welter is that one instance that the man in the stands is correct.

Let's revisit this thread later in the year, to track Welters performance, or to see if he has been replaced by one of the younger guys.

This is why I love football, because it all gets settled on the field.


P.S.
I'll ask you the same question.

Do you think that JJ and JLee were better QB's then Mettenberger, as he sat on the sideline.
If so please explain.

P.S.
I felt that Lee was a great passer in a clean pocket, but under pressure, he was a liability to say the least. Lee would panic at the first flash of the opposite Jersey color.
Jefferson, I don't have enough verbiage to explain my thoughts on that dude. None of them are good.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:21 pm to
Without reading the thread I will say I think he will hold his own and pleasently surprise a lot of people.
Posted by SouthdownsTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2014
631 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:31 pm to
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P.S. I'll ask you the same question. Do you think that JJ and JLee were better QB's then Mettenberger, as he sat on the sideline. If so please explain.


Without a doubt, mainly because we went 13-0 with JLee and JJ.

Turns out Mettenberger didn't really hit his stride until the 2012 Alabama game. After that he was well above average the rest of his career.
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 2:52 pm to
I have to disagree. I felt like the coaches didn't really open up the playbook until that Bama game.

It wasn't like he woke up that morning, and magically had a cannon of an arm.

It's all debatable, but I do feel like the coaches realized we couldn't pound our way through Bama, from the 2011 debacles (scoring 6 points in 8 quarters, trying to run the option). I think Les and crew realized that we would have to throw the ball down field to win. Not just quick slants and WR screens.
I'm not one to think he found his game that weekend.
His game was there, they finally took him off of the leash that Sat.

Once again, it's all debatable.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 5:56 pm
Posted by turnage
Atlanta and New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 1:46 pm to
He has always run a legit 4.6
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:50 pm to
Speed doesn't translate into courage.

Meaning, the the most dominant defenders play football with no regards for their physical well being. It may sound crazy, but it is the only way to describe it.

You have to be willing to attack the LOS as if blockers are non existant.

Brandon Spikes of Florida was timed at a 5.1 in the 40.

That has little to do with how willing he is to run full speed into an incoming blocker.

Burfict, of Arizona State, now the All Pro for the Bengals, ran a 5.01 in the 40.

Speed has absolutely nothing to do with a persons ability to take on a blocker and get to the ball carrier.

That's all "want to."

Which again, is something you can't teach.
Either the player is fearless, or he isn't.
It has nothing to do with speed.

You can wait to get blocked, or you can attack the blocker on your way to the ball carrier.

Welter has shown that he would rather wait and be blocked, rather them blowing up the FB or Offensive lineman in front of him.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Brood211
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:54 pm to
:-)

That's a great photo.

Here are some other outstanding images.




and



Reason for posting.

These are two players I felt were giving ample chances to succeed, despite many sub-standard perfomrances.

Jefferson/ Over Lee and Mettenberger (most importantly Mettenberger).

Sadly, Shepard was a talent.
I would have much rather us use Shepard as our option QB, than trying to force JJ into that role. Shepard was always a below average wideout, but I don't fault him for that. We recruited the guy to be a QB. He averaged 7 yards per carry for his career! If we were going to go two QB's in 2011, I would have preferred Lee do the passing, and Shepard operate the option.


Once again, I don't have any personal dislikes of Welter. He might possibly be a grade A personality and citizen. That doesn't change the fact that we may have players behind him that bring more to the table as football players.

This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 3:57 pm
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
13860 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 3:54 pm to
You post a picture of a tackle..what's your point?
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19283 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:22 pm to
idoubleu, no doubt Coach Chavis makes mistakes. But he still knows 1000% more about a specific player than you, Joe Fan, does. The odds are a lot higher that you are the one who is wrong. A lot higher. You are the one using insults to make your point, calling Welter " a substandard player" & as a consequence, ripping Coach Chavis. I was simply recommending that you go back to where your level of expertise means something, i.e. peewee football.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:41 pm to
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You post a picture of a tackle..what's your point?

It is just as valid of a point as the numbnutz that post a picture of Welter missing a tackle.
Neither proves anything which I think is the purpose of the post.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29266 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:48 pm to
I feel like if welter plays timid again this season he'll be replaced by the others breathing down his neck
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:50 pm to
No worries.

Let's revisit the topic later in the year.
Like I said earlier, the best thing about football is that it all plays out on the field.


Maybe I was wrong when I told everyone I knew that Jarvis Landry had the best paid of hands I had ever seen on a high school tape (before he ever suited up for the Tigers).

Maybe I had no clue what i was telling anyone who would listen that Jeremy Hill was the best back on our team, before he ever took a carry (just by looking at his Redemporist footage),

Also, after watching PP7 at the Army Navy Practices, that I had never seen a kid who could cover so well.

I, mean, it's completely ridiculous to think that you can judge talent by watching tape. -sarcasm off-

P. S.
You sound a bit mad, as if I have insulted your son or something.

If he is related to you in some way, don't take it personal. Or maybe you should stop reading this thread.

It's like a musician getting mad because fans get mad about a bad album. You put the album out, it will be judged and critiqued.
Or an actor getting mad because they get horrie movie reviews. You put out a movie, it will be reviewed and critiqued.

You step onto a football field, you will be analyzed and critiqued.

I'm only judging what I see.

Substandard is far from an insulting term.
That means, below standard.
Not equaling the playmaking norm that was set forth by players like
The likes of T. Faulk, B. James, P. Riley, Highsmith, Shepard, and Minter.
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6546 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:51 pm to
So Welter should be able to handle guards and centers on a regular basis...ok. The interior defensive line play needs to improve from last year or our LB's will look similar to the 2013 product.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
13860 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:43 pm to
It's not about head on collisions. It's about aggressively attacking.

You can blow up a play with a head on collisions, taking the legs out from the lineman, attacking and using your athleticism to slide past would be blockers. It's all about being aggressive and making plays.

I'll say again, TM7 was one of the smallest players on the team, but he played with the aggressiveness of a raging bull (on top of having ridiculous ball skills).

I'll say again, i viewed Barrow in the same light.

Please re-watch the Ole Miss Game and tell me what you see. Do you see a guy that is attacking the line and reading on his way to the ball, or a guy that is reading the play, and waiting to attack.
And notice the difference as soon as Louis was inserted in place of Welter.

I have to disagree that our D-Line was the problem last year.

P.S.
I guess I am to assume I would have received the same feedback had I signed up on Tiger Droppings last year and posted about Barrow being an average player.



Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6546 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:51 pm to
You aren't being objective if you had no problem with the line play.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
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29266 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 5:56 pm to
The line was a disappointment but welter would often let the play come to him instead of attacking it
Posted by idoubleu
Member since Jul 2014
269 posts
Posted on 7/20/14 at 6:07 pm to
Listen, we were a few plays away, in two games. From an 11-1 Regular season.

I'm well aware that Allen, Hunter and Rasco didn't produce like Montgomery and Mingo. That said, Johnson and Ferguson were far from liabilities. Though, I did see enough from Hunter and Rasco to be excited about their upcoming seasons.

I'll give you another example.

Tre'Davious White.

I often had a headache watching him holding onto WR's and failing to get his head around to find the ball.

However, I did see enough of his reaction skills/ football instincts and aggressiveness to have the reasonable expectation that he should improve. Let's not talk about the # of INT's he could have had, if he would have caught the balls that he made great breaks on, but just didn't catch.

My point is this, I see more potential in the footage I see of our JR LB's and the incoming C. Garrett, than I saw in a full season of Welter in the middle.


P.S.
I do agree that our D-Line wasn't as dominant as the prior year, but I wouldn't agree that they were the weakness on our team.

I'll say again, this is not a personal attack on Welter. Simply stating that there or some Tigers being caged that I feel need to be let onto the field in his place.
This post was edited on 7/20/14 at 6:09 pm
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