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re: Israel Defense Force murders 4 children
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:09 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 7/17/14 at 1:09 pm to Poodlebrain
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You need to be more specific about which family members. If there were family members who had homes elsewhere at the creation of Israel, I would have a hard time saying they have the right to live in Israel.
The creation of the State of Israel is 1948. I am first generation here in the US. My dad moved here in the late 60's. So, I have literally thousands of family members - aunts, uncles, cousins - all who have family roots thousands of years into the past. Literally, my family has always been in the Galilee, and are known as the "Defenders of Christianity" in the area.
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I do not believe all those who left voluntarily deserve the right of return. Those who can prove ownership of the home should have the right to return. Those who did not have title to the homes should not be able to return to property they abandoned. It may seem harsh, but tenants do not get the same rights as homeowners.
Most of the ones who fled CAN prove ownership, though the State of Israel does not acknowledge or recognize it. Their property was not "abandoned," they fled because of war and fear of being slaughtered. It was a war, a hostile takeover. If you want some first hand accounts of what happened, I can tell you some from my families direct experience.
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Yes, the connection to the Holy Land is obvious for peoples of all religions. I don't believe that Muslims believe in equal rights for non-Muslims. Thus a true democracy encompassing the entire Holy Land would not result in equal rights for all.
It did before, why shouldn't it again? So you are saying that if the Holy Land were like the US, where all faiths had equal rights - the Muslims wouldn't allow non-Muslims to be equals? Are you saying that historic Palestine, which indeed did exist, did not have a mixed population of Christian, Muslim, and Jew?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:01 pm to Geauxrilla Ballz
quote:No, they can't. Actual ownership, as opposed to tenancy, was quite limited.
Most of the ones who fled CAN prove ownership
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These two Ordinances have been enacted in view of the special circumstances attending dispossession in Palestine, where absentee landlords sell large estates with little consideration for their tenant-cultivators or for occupiers with customary rights from time immemorial. Occupancy without formal title is a most common form of landholding in Palestine, and frequently rests on nothing more tangible than a verbal undertaking between occupant and owner, or upon recognized and undisturbed practice.
This article explains the issues of land ownership in Palestine that became evident during the British Mandate. It is a Jewish source, but it doesn't advocate for or against any right of return. LINK
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