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re: Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe says Whites may not own land.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:56 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:56 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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But he never hid his leftist leanings by the way, but a true Marxist would not be racist. He has always favored a one-party socialist state but then he turned to racism when his plans didn't work. He had every opportunity to try reforms before he went extreme.
Why are you talking about Obama in this thread?
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 11:19 am to ctiger69
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Detroit did the same thing and boom......you have a great city.
Now the blacks are saying: where did the white people go? It sucks here and it looks like every city in Africa.
It's hilarious. Get out whitey, dis is our hood. They've beaten two white Detroit motorist in as many months for being white, but then they go and accuse whitey of racism for not wanting to live in their neighborhoods
and we still bend over backwards and pander to this community out of fear only in americaPosted on 7/6/14 at 11:26 am to Toddy
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Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa. They run out all of the white farmers and now many in the country are starving
Since 2000, GDP has declined by roughly 40% in part due to land reform and hyperinflation.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 11:52 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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He was a good guy at one point, but people change.
sounds like the theme of totalitarian-marxist governments
Posted on 7/6/14 at 12:38 pm to Placebeaux
Lol, perfectly stable environment for a pipeline
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:12 pm to GeeOH
Zimbabwe is a sad example of what racism by both whites and blacks can do. Mugabe was not a true Marxist, but when whites owned everything and had a racist government making things right appears racist.
You cannot deny that the Rhodesia was a racist country where whites ruled by racism and used racism to enrich themselves. The settlers took the best farmland and did not allow blacks access to the best land, technology, capital and credit to be successful farmers when you had a white-minority government. So when you undo the white-minority government it's very difficult if not possible to expect black farmers to be able to match the agriculture production of white farmers.
Mugabe made things worse with his racism, but there is a lot of white blame going back 200 years for this as well.
You cannot deny that the Rhodesia was a racist country where whites ruled by racism and used racism to enrich themselves. The settlers took the best farmland and did not allow blacks access to the best land, technology, capital and credit to be successful farmers when you had a white-minority government. So when you undo the white-minority government it's very difficult if not possible to expect black farmers to be able to match the agriculture production of white farmers.
Mugabe made things worse with his racism, but there is a lot of white blame going back 200 years for this as well.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:18 pm to trackfan
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Posted by Message trackfan Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe says Whites may not own land. He's no Mandela, that's for sure.
Oh yes he is for sure. ANC Marxists roots, violence against rival factions. Land grabs, he's just like Mandela.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:19 pm to Placebeaux
A country that isn't even in our hemisphere doesn't like white people!
OUTRAGE IS THE ONLY RESPONSE!
Seriously though, why do we even care? We shouldn't be sending federal aid money to anyone.
OUTRAGE IS THE ONLY RESPONSE!
Seriously though, why do we even care? We shouldn't be sending federal aid money to anyone.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:20 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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You cannot deny that the Rhodesia was a racist country where whites ruled by racism and used racism to enrich themselves
nobody is arguing that. but rhodesia was a much better country when it was the whites being racist
you cannot deny that, either
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So when you undo the white-minority government it's very difficult if not possible to expect black farmers to be able to match the agriculture production of white farmers.
this argument makes no sense
why would it be difficult/impossible? the dominant-black group has the same technology, access to information/education, and the same farmland. their output should be equal
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:21 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Ralph_Wiggum
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:25 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Mugabe was not a true Marxist, b
Name 3 heads of state who were 'true Marxists' in the last 100 years.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:25 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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You cannot deny that the Rhodesia was a racist country where whites ruled by racism and used racism to enrich themselves. The settlers took the best farmland and did not allow blacks access to the best land, technology, capital and credit to be successful farmers when you had a white-minority government. So when you undo the white-minority government it's very difficult if not possible to expect black farmers to be able to match the agriculture production of white farmers.
You do know the Boers wanted nothing to do with minorities of any sort originally, preferring to have a one race country. Refugees from Africa flocked to Rhodesia to flee annihilation from the their homeland. The Boers made their mistake in trying to assimilate and continue to rule as they did in past times with a population that they allowed themselves to become the minority. Racist country or not Rhodesia was one of few stable thriving governments on the continent . Now it's a joke.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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nobody is arguing that. but rhodesia was a much better country when it was the whites being racist
you cannot deny that, either
How can it be better? I would say both white and black racism are just as bad.
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why would it be difficult/impossible? the dominant-black group has the same technology, access to information/education, and the same farmland. their output should be equal
Farming takes knowledge, experience, technology, and capital. When the white farmers left they took that with them. Do you think a person who never farmed before beyond a back-yard garden can all of sudden match the agricultural productivity of an experienced farmer? Your average Zimbabwean black farmer was a subsistence peasant farmer.
White farmers had no interest in sharing their expertise and the capital and technology was not there. Machines break down and without the knowledge to fix and maintain them they break down.
Farming isn't as easy as you think it is.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Farming takes knowledge, experience, technology, and capital. When the white farmers left they took that with them. Do you think a person who never farmed before beyond a back-yard garden can all of sudden match the agricultural productivity of an experienced farmer? Your average Zimbabwean black farmer was a subsistence peasant farmer. White farmers had no interest in sharing their expertise and the capital and technology was not there. Machines break down and without the knowledge to fix and maintain them they break down.
So it's the white farmers fault who had their land taken, owned equipment taken, or were killed to help the poor black farmers who were unable to manage the land stolen away from the Boers?
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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How can it be better?
the fact that they could produce food to feed their country is just one variable
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Farming takes knowledge, experience, technology, and capital. When the white farmers left they took that with them.
a. the black landowners could have paid farmers to teach them/farm the land
b. all the the whites didn't "leave". they were forced out by racist policies of mugabe. the reason the article in the OP exists is b/c whites refused to leave and mugabe had to force them off the land. when they still resists, he made it illegal for whites to own land. go watch Mugabe and the White Farmer. it's a poignant doc on this very issue
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White farmers had no interest in sharing their expertise and the capital and technology was not there. Machines break down and without the knowledge to fix and maintain them they break down.
once the whites were forced off the land, this was no longer their problem
again, blame the racist policies of mugabe for forcing those with knowledge off the land and giving it to people who didn't know what they were doing. that's all on mugabe/the government and has nothing to do with white farmers. bad policy is bad
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Zach
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Name 3 heads of state who were 'true Marxists' in the last 100 years.
Allende and Lenin are two of them. Mao is tricky. But I guess you can count him. Now in practice they may not have been able to enact Marxist plans, but they knew Marxism pretty well.
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:31 pm to Zach
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Name 3 heads of state who were 'true Marxists' in the last 100 years.
This ought to be good
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:32 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Now in practice they may not have been able to enact Marxist plans,
so they were not marxist leaders
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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b. all the the whites didn't "leave". they were forced out by racist policies of mugabe. the reason the article in the OP exists is b/c whites refused to leave and mugabe had to force them off the land. when they still resists, he made it illegal for whites to own land. go watch Mugabe and the White Farmer. it's a poignant doc on this very issue
White farmers illegally took the land. How do you fix that without transferring land? Mugabe at first offered compensation for the land but white farmers refused. Mugabe was forced to force them off the land when they refused to make things right.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so they were not marxist leaders
They were influenced by Marxism. So that makes them marxist leaders.
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