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re: The ACLU's disappointing stance on the Hobby Lobby decision

Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:19 pm to
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Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 10:45 pm to
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as the RFRA is a congress creating a law respecting the establishment of religion


well, no.

eta: if that's true, then the first amendment is a violation of itself.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 10:47 pm
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:08 pm to
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I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Obamacare is already law. It's too late. Look at it outside of the scope of Obamacare, and strictly look at the situation we've been presented with.

Closely-held religious corporations can object to the contraception mandate and be exempt from the law, but other groups cannot. For example, if I own a closely held corporation and object to contraception coverage on basis of my religion, I get an exception. If I own a closely held corporation and object to contraception coverage on basis of my political beliefs, as say, a Libertarian, I cannot get an exception.

To me, this is a violation of the 1st amendment, as the RFRA is a congress creating a law respecting the establishment of religion.

Outside of this scope, you can talk about how Obamacare in general is unconstitutional, and I think you'd definitely have a point. But we're not talking about the entirety of Obamacare, this Supreme Court decision is assuming Obamacare is already established law, which it is, whether you agree with it or not.


At issue is the belief that the morning after pill is a form of abortion. Abortion is widely understood to violate the religious beliefs of many or most Christians.

Therefore Obamacare is a law that congress passed that infringes upon the religious freedom of the Christian owners of HL. The constitution clearly states that "Congress shall make laws...."

The argument that HL is forcing their views on others is not valid. HL is simply saying that they will not pay for abortions. Those that want abortions are still free to get abortions and work at hobby lobby, they just cannot get them paid for by HL.

CF is closed on Sunday's due to their religious belief's. People have the right to work, and people have the right to work on Sunday's. However, if you wish to work on Sunday's you need to find other employment besides CF.
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