- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Animal rights campaigners outragedover cheerleader hunting pics
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:04 pm to pointdog33
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:04 pm to pointdog33
quote:
Keep on correlating
Yeah, because making killing an elephant illegal clearly caused a population decline that wasn't happening before...
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:40 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
I don't think I ever said that the ban caused an increase in population loss. I simply said the Kenya continued to lose. Was that due to an already declining population? Probably. Could have allowing hunting in controlled situations helped curbed that? Maybe. Like I said earlier I'd like to know more of the story as well.
All I know is Zimbabwe allows hunting and has population increases over 38 years while Kenya doesn't allow it and as of 2014 their population doesn't follow the trend of Zimbabwe.
All I know is Zimbabwe allows hunting and has population increases over 38 years while Kenya doesn't allow it and as of 2014 their population doesn't follow the trend of Zimbabwe.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:01 pm to Swoopin
If the animals are economically valuable, then there is incentive for some of the locals to make a living off of regulated hunting. That starts the ball rolling by making regulation acceptable to at least some.
Hunting fees charged by the govt can increase the resources necessary for enforcement, as can donations to organizations that support safari hunting and are active in those areas. So now there is more official enforcement. When the govt pocketbook gets involved, they will enforce antipoaching regulations pretty stringently whereas before it was unpopular and seen as a waste of money.
When enough people get involved in the industry ( not only professional hunters but villagers who track, work as porters, etc),there becomes a little more pressure not to poach. If an indigenous village gets jobs, money, and meat from regulated hunting they may not turn such a blind eye to a couple of guys shooting elephants for the tusks. That just cost them all a bunch of different ways.
So, in a nutshell, that's how the theory works. You won't stop all poaching, but you'll stop a hell of a lot more than you would if no one was against it and the only thing the animals were seen as were as pests, threats, and sources of ivory.
Hunting fees charged by the govt can increase the resources necessary for enforcement, as can donations to organizations that support safari hunting and are active in those areas. So now there is more official enforcement. When the govt pocketbook gets involved, they will enforce antipoaching regulations pretty stringently whereas before it was unpopular and seen as a waste of money.
When enough people get involved in the industry ( not only professional hunters but villagers who track, work as porters, etc),there becomes a little more pressure not to poach. If an indigenous village gets jobs, money, and meat from regulated hunting they may not turn such a blind eye to a couple of guys shooting elephants for the tusks. That just cost them all a bunch of different ways.
So, in a nutshell, that's how the theory works. You won't stop all poaching, but you'll stop a hell of a lot more than you would if no one was against it and the only thing the animals were seen as were as pests, threats, and sources of ivory.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:20 pm to pointdog33
quote:
scimitar horned oryx
***opens new tab to google-verify actual existence***
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:30 pm to MisterSenator
quote:
***opens new tab to google-verify actual existence***
No need to google when one already knows they exist
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:31 pm to MisterSenator
quote:Sounds like something from Lord of the Rings.
scimitar horned oryx
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:32 pm to Jarlaxle
On the management/conservation/paid hunts argument,
I'd just like to say that as an Agri-business major with a few classes under my belt on Conservation and Renewable Natural Resources, etc. The only way to truly protect anything of value on this planet is to privatize it. Give it the ability to be bought and owned through property rights, and it will be vigorously fought for and made sustainable over the long term. Sustainability means long term benefits to the owners and the market sets the price of its conservation ITLR.
When "protected" by public interests, there is an unbelievable margin between its successes vs those of privately held programs of the same nature; Commercial fishing industry and the evolution of the public-private licenses and fees, etc. paints a pretty good picture of these processes and their failures and/or successes over time to get to where they are now (sustainable levels).
this of course, is the short version, but maybe I can touch up, make some references, etc later.
til then, i like the conversation, gentlemen...
Edit: sounds like your scimitir oryx is a good example of just that...
I'd just like to say that as an Agri-business major with a few classes under my belt on Conservation and Renewable Natural Resources, etc. The only way to truly protect anything of value on this planet is to privatize it. Give it the ability to be bought and owned through property rights, and it will be vigorously fought for and made sustainable over the long term. Sustainability means long term benefits to the owners and the market sets the price of its conservation ITLR.
When "protected" by public interests, there is an unbelievable margin between its successes vs those of privately held programs of the same nature; Commercial fishing industry and the evolution of the public-private licenses and fees, etc. paints a pretty good picture of these processes and their failures and/or successes over time to get to where they are now (sustainable levels).
this of course, is the short version, but maybe I can touch up, make some references, etc later.
til then, i like the conversation, gentlemen...
Edit: sounds like your scimitir oryx is a good example of just that...
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:36 pm to MisterSenator
I find it interesting, as well. Can you link a few articles for further reading? Or books. Doesn't matter. Just some extra reading so I can get more up to speed on the topic.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:41 pm to boom roasted
quote:
I find it interesting, as well. Can you link a few articles for further reading? Or books. Doesn't matter. Just some extra reading so I can get more up to speed on the topic.
I work nights and am about to leave for work here in about twenty minutes or so... I could reference you a couple of things I've come across, maybe even an old textbook, but I don't have the time...
soonest I can be back to make a post or two of that nature would be tomorrow maybe?
sorry in advance
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:41 pm to boom roasted
Named for its curved horns like the scimitar sword
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:42 pm to MisterSenator
No rush at all.
You can send to boomroasted225 @ gmail if you don't feel like bumping this thread.
And don't worry about it if you have to research and shite.
You can send to boomroasted225 @ gmail if you don't feel like bumping this thread.
And don't worry about it if you have to research and shite.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:49 pm to boom roasted
LINK
Just searched "economic impact of exotic hunters in Africa" on the internet and the above link was the first result. Goes into the positives and negatives of exotic hunting. See the Section Financial Incentives For Conservation.
Just searched "economic impact of exotic hunters in Africa" on the internet and the above link was the first result. Goes into the positives and negatives of exotic hunting. See the Section Financial Incentives For Conservation.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News