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re: Ok, walk me through IRS email situation...

Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:44 pm to
I am not an IT guy, but the hard drive is a non-issue. The servers are the issue. The hard drive will only contain data that was stored on her computer but never left via email. We need to stop focusing on the hard drive and ask why their servers were not copied, before deleting every 6 months.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37162 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:45 pm to
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We need to stop focusing on the hard drive and ask why their servers were not copied, before deleting every 6 months.


Incompetence. That's why. Ask an IRS person, and they will tell you money is the reason.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51814 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 12:55 pm to
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The hard drive will only contain data that was stored on her computer but never left via email.


Not true at all.

They use the same setup we use here at my office. They use an Exchange server with people having their mailbox on the server and an archive file (PST) on their computer. Once their mailbox hits Exchange's default 500MB limit, an automatic message is generated from the server to the user telling them they are over the limit.

User calls the helpdesk, helpdesk walks them through moving enough emails to the archive file that it brings their Exchange mailbox below te 500MB limit.

So yes, it's quite plausible that when her drive crashed she lost all of her old emails. The direction of focus should now be on:

1. Does the IRS do backups of their mail server? If so, how long do they keep those backups?

2. Was Lerner's computer brought in at any time between 2009 and the time the HDD crashed to be backed up and re-imaged?

3. Does the IRS mail server logs go back to 2009? If so, pull the records for whom she emailed and who sent email to her from the DOJ and WH then go subpoena those peoples' emails.

4. Does the IRS use a virtual desktop environment? If so, do they have backups of the user VM's? If so, how far back do they go?

5. Hard copies of all of her DOJ and WH correspondences should have been made and kept. Where are they?

6. Carter Hull's testimony implicated William Wilkins. What's the status of his emails?
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24781 posts
Posted on 6/19/14 at 1:10 pm to
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We need to stop focusing on the hard drive


Agreed. The whole point of my explanation was to explain how the e-mails should be on the hard drive.

Somebody said earlier tht the IRS requess that people delete e-mails because they are running out of storage. Usually, this is called archiving, where the employee stores the e-mails on their hard-drive and they are deleted from the e-mail server. This is OK, because we know that the e-mails that are deleted from the server are stored on multiple backups, so they don't have to be stored on the server, where they can be accessed quickly, but on the backup, where they can be accessed in special circumstances. A subpoena is a special circumstance.
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