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re: Question RE: ISIS
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:06 am to kingbob
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:06 am to kingbob
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By shutting out the military and all former Saddam government employees from the new government, it created a large subset of the population that was unemployed, highly armed, well trained, and had reason to hate the new government and the U.S. Once ISIS came in with their organization and money, those types flocked to them because they offered them something the new government wasn't: a valuable role in their organization.
We really screwed the pooch there. To this day I'm dumbfounded by that decision.
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:14 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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We really screwed the pooch there. To this day I'm dumbfounded by that decision.
Reminds me of the criticism that Patton got for putting Nazis in postwar government positions.
He said he did it because they were the only people around who knew how to run things.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:26 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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We really screwed the pooch there. To this day I'm dumbfounded by that decision.
Here's all I can think of on this issue that you have rightly mentioned previously: Why did the US throw out the Baath ?
The Baath Party were Sunnis and Saddamists. Also, they were the minority ethnic group in Iraq. It could be that the US policy-makers at the time thought that all Baathists had to go. They were bad guys in many ways. The US wanted a clean slate and a proper representation of the ethnic majority.
I agree with you that this plan wasn't going to work. It would have been better to keep remove Saddam but keep the Baathist Iraqi governmental structure in place for stability purposes.
This situation in Iraq may end up being like what happened to Germany after World War One.
The Allies demanded that defeated Imperial Germany dismantle its model of governance. When the replacement Weimar Republic deteriorated, it was then replaced by a virulent and destructive extremist government.
Perhaps a reformed Imperial Germany would have been able to withstand the challenges of extremism. Perhaps a reformed Baathist Iraq would be a stable post-Saddam Iraq today.
The problem with Imperial Germany was Wilhelm the Kaiser. Get a better Kaiser and solve the problem. Don't throw out stability.
The problem with Saddamist Iraq was Saddam. Get rid of Saddam and maybe Baathist Iraq becomes a stable and productive member of the community of nations.
Who knows?
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 11:28 am
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