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re: Democratic party played by Obama?
Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:19 am to Zed
Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:19 am to Zed
Obama has drifted further to the left than others.
That being said, it is a specific left. It is his left and only his left. His left has a strong federal government that actually prefers the NSA and other spying techniques so he can keep us safe from ourselves.
He also, as has been spouted on this board till the cows come home, is a big advocate for taxation and government welfare type programs. People often refer to this as income redistribution.
I could continue about other things he believes, but at the end of the day, he believes the ends justify the means. And he is shortsighted.
That all being said, I think the republicans have drifted further over to the right than before as well. Hell, we have political candidates saying that the earth could be 6k years old and that ID should be taught in the school. We have moronic candidates who say that women get pregnant when raped because they want to get pregnant.
I think both sides have drifted further apart, perhaps because the moderates of each party often do not get involved in the primaries and thus you have the really political people getting involved driving the candidates further and further from the middle.
That being said, it is a specific left. It is his left and only his left. His left has a strong federal government that actually prefers the NSA and other spying techniques so he can keep us safe from ourselves.
He also, as has been spouted on this board till the cows come home, is a big advocate for taxation and government welfare type programs. People often refer to this as income redistribution.
I could continue about other things he believes, but at the end of the day, he believes the ends justify the means. And he is shortsighted.
That all being said, I think the republicans have drifted further over to the right than before as well. Hell, we have political candidates saying that the earth could be 6k years old and that ID should be taught in the school. We have moronic candidates who say that women get pregnant when raped because they want to get pregnant.
I think both sides have drifted further apart, perhaps because the moderates of each party often do not get involved in the primaries and thus you have the really political people getting involved driving the candidates further and further from the middle.
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Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:28 am to thetempleowl
quote:I'll agree with this. He's primarily a fiscal liberal, and less concerned with other elements of the democratic agenda. It's probably not what the fiscally moderate highly educated suburbanites who were so important to his coalition were expecting.
That being said, it is a specific left. It is his left and only his left. His left has a strong federal government that actually prefers the NSA and other spying techniques so he can keep us safe from ourselves.
He also, as has been spouted on this board till the cows come home, is a big advocate for taxation and government welfare type programs. People often refer to this as income redistribution.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 9:54 am to thetempleowl
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His left has a strong federal government that actually prefers the NSA and other spying techniques so he can keep us safe from ourselves
Safe from ourselves? Meaning that the American people aren't to be trusted and an all seeing government must monitor and control their actions and thoughts?
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He also, as has been spouted on this board till the cows come home, is a big advocate for taxation and government welfare type programs. People often refer to this as income redistribution.
Before it can be re distributed, it must be confiscated even if through illegal means.
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And he is shortsighted.
You are being way too kind.
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That all being said, I think the republicans have drifted further over to the right than before as well. Hell, we have political candidates saying that the earth could be 6k years old and that ID should be taught in the school. We have moronic candidates who say that women get pregnant when raped because they want to get pregnant.
All of whom command a very tiny slice of the Republican constituency but are useful to the left as a scare tactic.
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I think both sides have drifted further apart, perhaps because the moderates of each party often do not get involved in the primaries and thus you have the really political people getting involved driving the candidates further and further from the middle.
Can't disagree with that.
Posted on 6/8/14 at 3:28 pm to thetempleowl
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Hell, we have political candidsates saying that the earth could be 6k years old and that ID should be taught in the school. We have moronic candidates who say that women get pregnant when raped because they want to get pregnant.
You have identified perhaps three individuals who are completely outside the normal range of conservative thought (assuming by Republican you mean all conservatives.)
I know there was a fringe candidate who said something stupid about "true rape" but I have no idea what candidates you are referring to who believe the earth is 6000 years old. Perhaps some fundamentalist preacher somewhere have said this and maybe one of them ran for office.
But when you equate these outliers to the antics of Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Holder, et al you do a disservice to your credibility.
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