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re: AGW Deniers - Seems Kind of Hopeless

Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:59 am to
Posted by todospm
Member since Sep 2013
526 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:59 am to
I find it odd that people discount the whole notion due to fears about a government-backed coalition of leftist climate scientists out to muddy the issue... but have literally zero problems with corporate-backed scientists who lie about every issue under the sun.

Why would you follow the word of think tanks and publications directly funded by the energy industry, but distrust scientists from the world's top institutes of higher education? Blows me away.


Remember, kids, asbestos isn't so bad and cigarettes are only sort of addictive.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 8:00 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124653 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:35 am to
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I find it odd that people discount the whole notion due to fears about a government-backed coalition
Do you find it odd that people discount the whole notion due to the fact the science is flawed?

Do you find it odder still that people accept the whole notion on basis of science, even though the science is flawed?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57517 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:53 am to
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I find it odd that people discount the whole notion due to fears about a government-backed coalition of leftist climate scientists out to muddy the issue...
You do? Maybe you believe that government funding somehow implies purity. As if government funding takes away any ability to lie, distort, or act in self interest. Let's test this..

The government wouldn't lie would they? LINK

Nah, surely not... LINK

Nope. LINK

Nah, totally trustworthy LINK

Purity! LINK

As the driven snow...

LINK /

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Recently, I was the lead author on a paper demonstrating that about 40 years and many millions of dollars of US nutritional surveillance data were fatally flawed. In most research domains, such a finding might be monumental; yet in nutrition epidemiology—the study of the impact of diet on health, hereafter referred to simply as “nutrition”—these results are commonplace. In fact, there is a large body of evidence demonstrating that the systematic misreporting of energy and macronutrient intake renders the results and conclusions of the vast majority of federally funded nutrition studies invalid.


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We may be witnessing the confluence of two inherent components of the human condition: incompetence and self-interest. .... And while the self-correcting nature of science necessitates failure, the vast majority of nutrition’s failures were engendered by a complete lack of familiarity with the scientific method.


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The responsibility for this unfortunate state of affairs rests squarely on the leaders of nutrition research. Rather than training graduate students in the scientific method, and allowing their research to serve the needs of society, the field’s leaders choose to train their mentees to serve only their own professional needs—namely, to obtain grant funding and publish their research.


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The apparent self-interest that is driving research in this field is not limited to raising students to merely follow the herd. The subjective data yielded by poorly formulated nutrition studies are also the perfect vehicle to perpetuate a never-ending cycle of ambiguous findings leading to ever-more federal funding. The National Institutes of Health spent an estimated $2.2 billion on nutrition and obesity research in the 2012 fiscal year, a significant proportion of which was spent on research that used the pseudoscientific methods described above. The fact that nutrition researchers have known for decades that these techniques are invalid implies that the field has been perpetrating fraud against the US taxpayers for more than 40 years—far greater than any fraud perpetrated in the private sector (e.g., the Enron and Madoff scandals).


We can argue the person all day. But reality is, the science isn't that good.

Posted by sportjunkie69
Member since Nov 2012
2149 posts
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:07 am to
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I find it odd that people discount the whole notion due to fears about a government-backed coalition of leftist climate scientists out to muddy the issue... but have literally zero problems with corporate-backed scientists who lie about every issue under the sun.

Why would you follow the word of think tanks and publications directly funded by the energy industry, but distrust scientists from the world's top institutes of higher education? Blows me away.


Remember, kids, asbestos isn't so bad and cigarettes are only sort of addictive.


And when can we get back the awesome aerosol based hair sprays! Hair care has never been the same since they panicked over those chloroflorocarbons thingies scientists screamed about.

Just a bunch of nervous nellies with test tubes.
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