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re: the internet is about to become worse than television - net neutrality
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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believe in people and their support of innovation and technology. that is the real backbone of the internet
Which is going to disappear without net neutrality.
But you know that Jake.
You just like to keep stirring the pot because you love a good debate. That has been your MO your entire posting history.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:44 pm to Prosecuted Collins
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Y'all are spun around the axel arguing with a divorce lawyer about the implications of NN.
I know what he's doing and why. Ive pointed it out a few times already
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:46 pm to Breesus
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The consumers of content are what drive innovators to create things for those consumers.
again. we're talking about torrentors, aka, thieves
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agian, i question how much you really know about this debate and both sides. I'm not insulting you i am generally curious as the depth of your knowledge on this issue.
was my statement wrong? no it was not wrong
i just do not agree that the alternative of NN is automatically a dystopian future b/c of...guessing
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discriminatory treatment of traffic will immediately raise the barriers to entry in the internet world and have a negative effect on innovation.
and you don't understand innovation, b/c barriers are exactly why innovation occurs
i feel you don't understand how innovation works or comes about. it's not when things are easy and abundance exists
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think your problem is that you believe that since this is how things have been done, this is how things should always be done
My argument is not one i made up today. and it is more complex than that.
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which is very ironic in a thread about innovation. that set of beliefs is the opposite of innovation
As i already stated, killing net neutrality is far from the only way to improve internet speeds and spur new innovations.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:46 pm to Brageous
Looking at the issue purely as a consumer, and not taking into account the implication to businesses invested in Cloud tech and other Wed driven business ops just process how short sighted this discussion is.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:48 pm to SG_Geaux
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Which is going to disappear without net neutrality.
how do you know this for sure?
i can proclaim that losing NN will be the best thing ever and internet will get faster and cheaper
i have the same amount as evidence for that statement as you do for your statement, but i am not acting like i can predict the future or can analyze things without evidence.
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You just like to keep stirring the pot because you love a good debate. That has been your MO your entire posting history.
no. i just get into big debates about issues that people are acting like sheep when discussing, and it makes people energized b/c they don't like to think outside of the box and would rather use emotional or irrational/impossible arguments
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:50 pm to Prosecuted Collins
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Looking at the issue purely as a consumer, and not taking into account the implication to businesses invested in Cloud tech and other Wed driven business ops just process how short sighted this discussion is.
what if it's better for personal and small business users of cloud-based apps/storage? what then?
can you guarantee that it will be worse for them? no
can i guarantee that it will be better for them? no
let's see what happens and have a discussion about this using evidence and not temper tantrums or speculation
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:50 pm to Breesus
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As i already stated, killing net neutrality is far from the only way to improve internet speeds and spur new innovations.
where did i say that?
removing NN may be terrible. it may be awesome. we don't know. intellectually dishonest arguments do nothing to help the discussion
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and you don't understand innovation, b/c barriers are exactly why innovation occurs
you think someone will create a new internet system which rivals cable companies? You cant create a way to deliver things faster through a cable line. The cable company controls that and the end of net neutrality allows the cable companies to effectively pick and choose which content providers survive and which dont.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can stream videos at 5 MB/s.
i did it for years
That's 40 megabits per second, which is well above the average download speed in this country.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
we should allow vigilante justice and do away with criminal laws in america.
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can you guarantee that it will be worse for them? no
can i guarantee that it will be better for them? no
let's see what happens and have a discussion about this using evidence and not temper tantrums or speculation
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I can 100% tell you that if there is a dollar to be made on offering content, which is the crux of the debate, it will be.
At the end of the day, apps, data, music, etc are just 1 & 0s. By selectively choosing to devote processing power to certain "vendors" of content will irrefutably harm the marketplace.
There will be no winners, except the ISPs.
At the end of the day, apps, data, music, etc are just 1 & 0s. By selectively choosing to devote processing power to certain "vendors" of content will irrefutably harm the marketplace.
There will be no winners, except the ISPs.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 7:56 pm to Breesus
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can you guarantee that it will be worse for them? no
can i guarantee that it will be better for them? no
let's see what happens and have a discussion about this using evidence and not temper tantrums or speculation
This argument is just stupid. It can be used to justify the passing of literally any law about anything for any reason and avoid any negative debate about it.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no. i just get into big debates about issues that people are acting like sheep when discussing, and it makes people energized b/c they don't like to think outside of the box and would rather use emotional or irrational/impossible arguments
C'mon dude.
I have seen you post pictures of a LLOTOT and refuse her request to take them down for hours while you debated with people whether or not the pictures were public domain and/or she had any expectation of privacy once said pictures were on the web.
So don't try to feed us any shite other than you just get off on these debates.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:06 pm to SG_Geaux
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So don't try to feed us any shite other than you just get off on these debates.
He's a divorce attorney. All he does is get people annoyed. He's so used to profiting off of suffering and anger that making other people suffer or get angry in anyway brings him pleasure.
Aint that right SFP.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:22 pm to SG_Geaux
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I have seen you post pictures of a LLOTOT and refuse her request to take them down for hours while you debated with people whether or not the pictures were public domain and/or she had any expectation of privacy once said pictures were on the web.
i still agree with that, and that was more of a lesson for stupid girls who did it. it still happens. i was jsut the first
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:23 pm to Breesus
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He's a divorce attorney.
i mean i've done divorces, but no
i dabbled in it last year but am closing out my files and only doing domestic for single mothers via pro bono work for a long while
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All he does is get people annoyed. He's so used to profiting off of suffering and anger that making other people suffer or get angry in anyway brings him pleasure.
you obviously have never spoken to a divorce attorney on the other side of an issue from me
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:25 pm to Breesus
calm down, breesus And I think pics posted here should be fair game. Fricking admins
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:25 pm to Breesus
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This argument is just stupid. It can be used to justify the passing of literally any law about anything for any reason and avoid any negative debate about it.
to avoid the debate over a law where we have no evidence that the behavior at issue is wrong, you mean
and that's terrible
hell we just saw it with the whole e-cig bullshite. a real big one nationally is fracking.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 8:26 pm to Paige
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calm down, breesus
And I think pics posted here should be fair game. Fricking admins
well then.
post one
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