re: the internet is about to become worse than television - net neutrality

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Because, to use an example, now to compete with netflix you have to build into your startup costs whatever fee you have to pay to every single cable provider in the country to be at the same speed before you can compete. There would be no reason for tech companies and internet innovators to stay in america.

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they can stay in american and provide the service internationally (or vice versa)

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Do you realize how hard it owuld be for a startup video streaming service to go negotiate with every single internet provider to get premium access?

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you see you're thinking in terms of today's paradigms and not in terms of innovation

if they are to beat netflix (regardless of speed), they need to create a new/cheaper way to deliver their service

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innovation is a worldwide product, especially tech. borders are becoming less important in world trade (and it benefits all of us, but especially the poor in other countries)

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Kind of ssupports my point that American companies will be disadvantaged, doesn't it?

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no you are. that is called government

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It is much, much better for government to regulate a business, than for that business to regulate millions of others. That is just a simple fact. I'm sorry your anti-government mind can't understand that.

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you have not made one compelling, rational argument as to why we should not base our policy choices in evidence and logic/rationality rather than speculation and emotion. you assume the worst, and that is the only reality you will accept. you are thinking as a sheep, and if people don't join in with your sheep thought process, you claim to be superior based on...emotion? it's certainly not based in evidence 

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There are numerous examples of ISPs throttling particular sites and services even though it's illegal. What do you think will happen once it's legal? The simple fact that ISPs are right now feverishly fighting to eliminate net neutrality as a response to reduced cable TV subscribership is pretty damning evidence as to their intentions, don't you think? Call me a sheep if you must, but you have got to be blind or dumb to not see the writing on the wall.

I know that, as a lawyer, you can't afford to ever admit to being wrong, but that doesn't mean you aren't. Absolutely nothing good can come to consumers as a result of eliminating net neutrality. You really need to do some critical thinking about it rather than relying on your blind hatred of regulation.

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they can stay in american and provide the service internationally (or vice versa)

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Why would anyone do that? That doesnt make sense. You would want to be headquartered in a place where the internet is better, more free, and cheaper.

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if they are to beat netflix (regardless of speed), they need to create a new/cheaper way to deliver their service

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inferior products win all the time due to startup costs and budget constraints.

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you see you're thinking in terms of today's paradigms and not in terms of innovation

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again. if a site is 100x better than netflix but it takes 20 minutes to buffer a movie and netflix can stream it instantly no one will switch to the site that cannot efficiently stream content. This is why traffic needs to be treated equally and this is why the physical layer should not effect content and this is why net neutrality is important.

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if they are to beat netflix (regardless of speed), they need to create a new/cheaper way to deliver their service

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how do you propse the create a cheaper way to deliver their service when the cable company can demand they pay in order to deliver their service at competitive levels?

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Absolutely nothing good can come to consumers as a result of eliminating net neutrality

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ok so the answer to my question is "no". you cannot have a discussion about this without the alternative to NN being the worst possible outcome

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You really need to do some critical thinking about it rather than relying on your blind hatred of regulation.

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i am inviting an open discussion. your discussion is: either you accept that the alternative to NN is the worst possible scneario, or you're wrong. that's it. no evidence. nothing. WPS or NN. /fin

while i am asking us to think about possibilities and *gasp* wait for evidence to see how it develops. you reject evidence

you aren't interesting in a discussion or a process of critical thinking. you have decided people must agree with you, or they're wrong. this is the height of irony in a thread about innovation moving forward

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Does the electric company have a right to throttle my electricity usage because I have the lights on late at night to study? Do they have a right to limit the flow of electrons and protons into a home based on what those subatomic particles are used to power?

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Have you ever heard of smart meters and peak hours?

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they most certainly are.

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how is consuming content innovating or creating content?

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And while we're at it we should get rid of state and local police forces. It may be better for society it may be worse. We'll just have to see right?

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yes i believe Washington, LA should not have nearly as big of a police force as it currently has. it probably doesn't need any

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There are plenty of ways to innovate delivery without discriminatory treatment of traffic.

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sure, but there are also plenty of ways to innovate WITH discriminatory treatment of traffic

just b/c one side exists doesn't mean the other side cannot exist

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SlowFlowPro

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I think the problem is that you dont not have a solid understanding of how the internet works, its history, and net neutrality.

I understand the general economic and social principles you are discussing however net neutrality is a specialized argument that you need to really understand to argue. And again i ask you how much you really know on the subject.

This is rich, what a beating of a thread.

Y'all are spun around the axel arguing with a divorce lawyer about the implications of NN.

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I swear right as I opened this thread my internet went slow for like 20 seconds

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can't happen. the ISPs will make my arguments load 100x faster b/c it supports them

This technology is way above my intellect. I know when to post something random and leave so I don't make myself look like a fool even more

Have fun.