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re: Man gets life for killing 2 teens in Home Invasion
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:07 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:07 am to CarRamrod
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well IMO considering there re so many repeat offenders of burglary and car theft, it seems the current penalties are not harsh enough
Maybe if more would get dealt with in a cruel way like Smith did, they would be deterred. You frick with the bull, you get the horns.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:20 am to CarRamrod
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well IMO considering there re so many repeat offenders of burglary and car theft, it seems the current penalties are not harsh enough. Maybe if we can get rid of the useless drug laws we can free up room in prison for the people that do crimes against others and not ones self.
Repeat offender laws for that should be stiffer no doubt.
I'm just in here giving a fairly unique perspective, having been in several armed robberies. With that bias, I believe that the stiffest penalties should be for aggravated gun crimes.
I also believe that an aggravated battery(beating the victim with butt of gun for example) or attempted murder(discharging the weapon) during an armed robbery/home invasion/etc should carry a MANDATORY life sentence.
That trauma to the victim is hard to imagine and for many, such as a 16 yr old hs kid working the counter at McDonalds, it's life-changing.
So yea I'm way harder on gun-toting violent criminals than dumb fricks looking to steal a dude's shite when they think he's gone.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:23 am to dnm3305
Listen, these teens knew, or should have known, the risks of BE into this property.
But how can you defend Smith's actions? This case isn't anything like a normal home invasion case.
If he were sleeping, and someone broke in, then yes, I would be comfortable with the defender shooting at the invader, so long as the invader wasn't trying to flee. But that is not the case here, Smith knew he was out to harm, the moment he moved his car away from his home.
But how can you defend Smith's actions? This case isn't anything like a normal home invasion case.
If he were sleeping, and someone broke in, then yes, I would be comfortable with the defender shooting at the invader, so long as the invader wasn't trying to flee. But that is not the case here, Smith knew he was out to harm, the moment he moved his car away from his home.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:27 am to Emiliooo
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But how can you defend Smith's actions? This case isn't anything like a normal home invasion case.
Are you really still doing this? No one, at least since Scoop left, has defended them.
Are you just trying to keep this thread going, or up your post count?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:27 am to Emiliooo
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, Smith knew he was out to harm, the moment he moved his car away from his home.
I think we agree on the other part of this (the executions part), but I still can't agree wholly with this. There is just not enough information about this whole "baiting" aspect.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:28 am to LNCHBOX
Without having to read through 20 pages, how did he know these kids would break into his house?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:28 am to RandySavage
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Without having to read through 20 pages, how did he know these kids would break into his house?
I'm still trying to figure that part out.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:33 am to ProjectP2294
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Without having to read through 20 pages, how did he know these kids would break into his house?
Yeah, I don't understand this either, but would you park your car down the street if you knew there might be a home invasion? I would like to think you wouldn't. Any rational person would make it appear that you are home to deter the potential criminal.
Now, there is no way for me to say that he knew that the crime was going to happen; hell, he may have parked his car down the street for a week leading up to Thanksgiving.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:37 am to Emiliooo
A few yrs ago, a guy I casually talked to at the gym had his home broken into twice while he wasnt home, and the last time beat his dog to near death. He called the police both times and filed reports, and surprise surprise, absolutely nothing was done. He figured it was just a matter of time before they came for more of his stuff while he and his family were sleeping and decided he was going to do something about it. He bought a new TV to replace the one that was stolen and put the box at the road resting against his trash can. He made his family sleep at his parents house for the weekend while he and his brother parked their vehicles in the woods behind his house (this is a country residence miles away from the city) and he and his brother came back into his house later night from the back side to make it appear like no one was home. They kept all of the lights off that evening and sat on the floor at each end of the house in pitch black with shotguns in hand and waited for the thug POS intruders to come back. I talked to him a few wks later and he said nothing came of it, but if intruders would have broken into his house that night, would you feel he baited them in or he did what he had to do to protect his family?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:40 am to Emiliooo
I don't think the car really makes that much of a difference in my opinion. The language he used doesn't bother me either, I would be equally angry if someone broke into my house. Him popping them one more time in the head for a good clean kill like they were animals and then not calling the police for a freakin day is more disturbing to me.
Once you render them no longer a threat, call 911.
Once you render them no longer a threat, call 911.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:42 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:42 am to Dam Guide
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like they were animals
but they were animals.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:43 am to dnm3305
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but they were animals.
It's a figure of speech...
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:43 am to mikelbr
quote:ehhhhh.... whether or not they thought the home was empty shouldn't matter
Yea this story was on a True Crime show we watched the other day. This dude set up the burglars and murdered them. Home Invasion is hardly what happened here.
Two idiot teens went into a house they were led to believe was empty by the homeowner. The intent is HUGE here. Home Invasion is a violent intrusion on an INHABITED dwelling.
Life is good for him. Doubt he'll serve that.
What if my roommate and I all leave for work but his gf is still in bed sleeping for a while. Our vehicles are gone; the person scoping the place saw us leave. Does that mean they have a right to break in? and then the GF doesn't have a right to shoot them to defend herself and our property?
This man deserves his sentence but not because he "baited them" it's because he went beyond defending himself and murdered in cold blood after the threat was neutralized
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:43 am to dnm3305
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but they were animals.
Anyone that is defending the homeowner obviously didn't listen to the audio or is a sick and twisted frick!Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:44 am to Dam Guide
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Once you render them no longer a threat, call 911.
So Smith knew for a fact that the criminal didnt have a Glock 42 in his back pocket or around his ankle? He knew that if he reached for a phone to call 911, one of them wouldnt draw a weapon on him? Were they completely incompassitated before he put a final round through their head or did they still have movement in their extremities?
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:47 am to dnm3305
There's obviously a fine line here. And I'm not going to say that you shouldn't do what you think is right to protect your family, because you should.
Obviously, he felt like he had to be proactive because of the ineptitude of the police.
And please, don't misconstrue what I'm going to say. I'm all for him being defensive if they were to break in while he was home. But in this case, his actions were premeditated. What if one of his friends were to stop by and, without knowing, walk right into a shotgun blast.
It's tough to say what's wrong and what's right. My mom's house was broken into twice, both times I wasn't at home. But, both of these times were in broad daylight. It takes another type of criminal to break in at night, and if they did, I would be completely comfortable with blasting them, if they were trying to harm anyone in the house.
Again, it's a fine line in what you think is right, and setting up someone to die.
Obviously, he felt like he had to be proactive because of the ineptitude of the police.
And please, don't misconstrue what I'm going to say. I'm all for him being defensive if they were to break in while he was home. But in this case, his actions were premeditated. What if one of his friends were to stop by and, without knowing, walk right into a shotgun blast.
It's tough to say what's wrong and what's right. My mom's house was broken into twice, both times I wasn't at home. But, both of these times were in broad daylight. It takes another type of criminal to break in at night, and if they did, I would be completely comfortable with blasting them, if they were trying to harm anyone in the house.
Again, it's a fine line in what you think is right, and setting up someone to die.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:47 am to dnm3305
quote:dude, I get what you're saying but you call 911, and watch the hell out of them with your weapon readied. You can't simply walk up to someone you wounded and finish them off; if they deserve it or not.
So Smith knew for a fact that the criminal didnt have a Glock 42 in his back pocket or around his ankle? He knew that if he reached for a phone to call 911, one of them wouldnt draw a weapon on him? Were they completely incompassitated before he put a final round through their head or did they still have movement in their extremities?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:48 am to dnm3305
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So Smith knew for a fact that the criminal didnt have a Glock 42 in his back pocket or around his ankle? He knew that if he reached for a phone to call 911, one of them wouldnt draw a weapon on him? Were they completely incompassitated before he put a final round through their head or did they still have movement in there extremities?
By what we know from the articles printed on this and even from his own words during the incident, they were pretty much down. Real life isn't a zombie movie and you should always make sure your level of force is necessary if you want to be a responsible gun owner.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:49 am to dnm3305
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So Smith knew for a fact that the criminal didnt have a Glock 42 in his back pocket or around his ankle? He knew that if he reached for a phone to call 911, one of them wouldnt draw a weapon on him? Were they completely incompassitated before he put a final round through their head or did they still have movement in their extremities?
You can't possibly be defending him still.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:53 am to Emiliooo
quote:so you think when i moved my car to my neighbors driveway the day before i threw a party, i was out to harm someone.
the moment he moved his car away from his home.
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