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re: How are Bundy's statements on negroes related to the ranch standoff with BLM?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:48 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:48 pm to goldennugget
Nothing except that he's wrong on the law and history.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:48 pm to brodeo
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Painting him as a racist allows
To be fair he was the painter.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:49 pm to goldennugget
His comments about Blacks forces politicians and pundits to drop him like a bad habit, lest they get smeared trying to defend him. My guess is that he'll no longer be Sean Hannity's cause celebre.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:52 pm to kingbob
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Well, the media had initially portrayed him as an innocent, 10 year-old boy when his high school records revealed that he wasn't. It made Zimmerman's belief that he was being threatened more credible.
Well right-wing media initially portrayed Bundy as an innocent rancher who was having his ranch stolen by the government when the facts revealed that not to be the case. His racist statements now further the argument that he's a crack pot.
Both of the above are unfair as they do not relate to the actual facts of either case.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 1:53 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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The SCOTUS ruled in 1845 in Pollard that once a state becomes a sovereign state and is granted statehood, the feds can't treat it as a territory anymore and losses all rights over the land.
If that were actually the case....
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:00 pm to trackfan
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His comments about Blacks forces politicians and pundits to drop him like a bad habit, lest they get smeared trying to defend him. My guess is that he'll no longer be Sean Hannity's cause celebre.
I still think the BLM was wrong to react in the way they did. Has nothing to do with his thoughts on anything else. I don't think anyone will need to back away from previous statements of support in that matter.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:02 pm to cwill
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Well, the media had initially portrayed him as an innocent, 10 year-old boy when his high school records revealed that he wasn't. It made Zimmerman's belief that he was being threatened more credible.
Well right-wing media initially portrayed Bundy as an innocent rancher who was having his ranch stolen by the government when the facts revealed that not to be the case. His racist statements now further the argument that he's a crack pot.
Both of the above are unfair as they do not relate to the actual facts of either case.
I still think Bundy had every right to do as he was doing and was completely innocent as it relates to the reasons the federal government targeted him.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:03 pm to imjustafatkid
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What on earth did Trayvon's school records have to do with the fact that he was minding his own business when a racist decided to follow him, pick a fight with and him and then shoot him after he started getting his arse kicked?
FIFY
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:04 pm to trackfan
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pick a fight with
Pretty much assured this didn't happen but I understand that it's the only way to justify outrage.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:05 pm to imjustafatkid
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I still think Bundy had every right to do as he was doing and was completely innocent
What was he doing that was within his rights in your view?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:05 pm to trackfan
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when a racist decided to follow him
haha ah yes the multi-racial white guy who volunteered his time toward AA and supported AAs against authority with black AA friends...
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:24 pm to BayouBlitz
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He was illegally grazing his cows
We need to get the Fark board to create a scumbag Steve meme with Bundy:
Complains about free-loaders on welfare
Grazes cattle on public lands
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:38 pm to C
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multi-racial
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white guy
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who volunteered his time toward AA and supported AAs against authority with black AA friends...
Also not relevant to the case.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:44 pm to cwill
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What was he doing that was within his rights in your view?
I don't think he did anything wrong at all.
A better question: What did he do that warranted the response from the BLM?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:45 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Also not relevant to the case.
I agree with you. We wouldn't know any of that stuff about Zimmerman had he not been crucified by the media. No one would have had to defend him if he had never been depicted as someone he wasn't.
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 2:46 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Trackfan,
You're the biggest liar on this forum; even more so than Rex. If George Zimmerman wanted to shoot Trayvon Martin, why didn't he just shoot him? Why in the the hell would he leat Martin practically bash his his brains in before he shot him? That makes no sense whatsoever.
The truth is, your innocent little Trayvon was a juvenile delinquent who had already been expelled from school 3 times. He was a thief! How do you know that jerk wasn't casing a neighborhood where he didn't even live?
You should just go ahead and join the New Black Panthers, trackfan. Don't worry; they love anti-Semites.
You're the biggest liar on this forum; even more so than Rex. If George Zimmerman wanted to shoot Trayvon Martin, why didn't he just shoot him? Why in the the hell would he leat Martin practically bash his his brains in before he shot him? That makes no sense whatsoever.
The truth is, your innocent little Trayvon was a juvenile delinquent who had already been expelled from school 3 times. He was a thief! How do you know that jerk wasn't casing a neighborhood where he didn't even live?
You should just go ahead and join the New Black Panthers, trackfan. Don't worry; they love anti-Semites.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:10 pm to goldennugget
You have said from the beginning, without any basis in fact, that the BLM used 200 agents with guns pointed at the ranchers.
Where did you get your 200 number? Where did you get the notion that those 200 were aimed at ranchers? How are you an expert on how many agents it takes to round up 900 cows across 12000 square miles of desert? Who are you to say what was disproportionate force when the BLM, in fact, used no armed force and the lives of those BLM agents were at risk from militias threatening gunfire?
The BLM did not enter Bundy's ranch. They didn't threaten anyone with armed force. You're spewing right wing lies created by gun loving loons.
And now you're conveniently trying to divorce yourself from one element of your lunatic stew when the truth is that it's all cooked from the same pot. Mr. Bundy's racism can't be separated from his ideology that he needs guns to protect his white world from a government that doesn't cater solely to his own interests.
You bashed the BLM for no valid reason and, thus,, in the process justified Mr. Bundy's call to arms. Why don't you just own up to it and admit you were wrong a out everything?
Where did you get your 200 number? Where did you get the notion that those 200 were aimed at ranchers? How are you an expert on how many agents it takes to round up 900 cows across 12000 square miles of desert? Who are you to say what was disproportionate force when the BLM, in fact, used no armed force and the lives of those BLM agents were at risk from militias threatening gunfire?
The BLM did not enter Bundy's ranch. They didn't threaten anyone with armed force. You're spewing right wing lies created by gun loving loons.
And now you're conveniently trying to divorce yourself from one element of your lunatic stew when the truth is that it's all cooked from the same pot. Mr. Bundy's racism can't be separated from his ideology that he needs guns to protect his white world from a government that doesn't cater solely to his own interests.
You bashed the BLM for no valid reason and, thus,, in the process justified Mr. Bundy's call to arms. Why don't you just own up to it and admit you were wrong a out everything?
This post was edited on 4/24/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:39 pm to Rex
It's cute how all the usual suspects are here defending their newest hero's racism.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:47 pm to imjustafatkid
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I don't think he did anything wrong at all.
A better question: What did he do that warranted the response from the BLM?
Try not to avoid the question...you proclaimed "Bundy had every right to do as he was doing and was completely innocent."
What does that mean? Did he have the right to use land rent free? Did he have some greater contractual right than that provided by law? Please explain.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 3:56 pm to trackfan
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His comments about Blacks forces politicians and pundits to drop him like a bad habit, lest they get smeared trying to defend him. My guess is that he'll no longer be Sean Hannity's cause celebre.
Isn't it a bit odd how the GOP frequently has to distance themselves from these type of nutjobs?
Ron Paul had to distance himself from his his Racist 'ghost writers' from his Newsletter he obviously never bothered to read(Bull ).
Rand Paul running from his Neo-Confederate staffer/aide the "Southern Avenger'
Not saying that Rand or Ron are Racist ,but they surely seem to attract .........
There seems to be huge overlap with these anti-government types/White Nationalist & at least some empathy for one another(Ruby Ridge family that were White Nationalist & their anti-government avenger Tim McVeigh who was inspired by the White Nationalist "The Turner Diaries").
And the GOP wonders why Jews, Blacks , Asians, Hispanics,etc.. don't trust the GOP & vote overwhelmingly Dem.
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