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re: Today's protect and serve news
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:09 am to DanTiger
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:09 am to DanTiger
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Because we have something called state constitutions in this country that dictate how oue law enforcement agencies work. Different states have different laws.
So you think this incident is merely a difference of how law agencies work inside of their state constitutions?
Your very naive if you think that what happens in other cities/states doesn't have an impact on you.. Maybe not immediately or directly, but in the long term it very well could.
See the Boston Bombing apprehension as example and how many LEO's have started to invest in military grade vehicles since then.
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:12 am to Lsut81
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See the Boston Bombing apprehension as example and how many LEO's have started to invest in military grade vehicles since then.
Are you also alarmed because the Dept of Homeland Security bought round in bulk a few years ago?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:18 am to DanTiger
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Are you also alarmed because the Dept of Homeland Security bought round in bulk a few years ago?
You mean the fact that they bought WAY more ammo than they need?
To the tune of 5 times of what they use in a year for the next 4-5yrs
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:29 am to Lsut81
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To the tune of 5 times of what they use in a year for the next 4-5yrs
That is why I asked the question. Do you know how many law enforcement agents the DHS has? CBP, ICE, BP, Secret Service, Detention and deportation agents, and Immigration enforcement agents all fall under DHS and perhaps a few others I have forgotten. They have in excess of 70,000 agents. Even if they bought 1 billion rounds that is a little over 14k rounds per agent. The DHS deploys numerous personnel to Iraq and Afghanistan and they also require ALL agents to qualify quarterly with all firearms. In addition to that they also run training academies for all new agents that require new hires to shoot THOUSANDS of rounds. In other words that was a sensationalist story printed by someone with an agenda to stir up B.S. and most people seem happy to drink the cool aid and not do any research.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:31 am to Jim Rockford
Just below this bit of news on Drudge there is another item. A disabled 8 year old boy has been arrested and charged with multiple felonies. Geezum, what is the IQ of cops across the nation?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:38 am to DanTiger
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In other words that was a sensationalist story printed by someone with an agenda to stir up B.S. and most people seem happy to drink the cool aid and not do any research.
Well here's the numbers from the GAO report... But keep up the rabble rabble rabble, pro police state bullshite. So where are you a cop?
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The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is contracted to purchase 704,390,250 rounds of ammunition over the next four years, which is equal to a total of about 2,500 rounds per DHS agent per year, according to a January 2014 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report
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“If DHS were to purchase all 704 million rounds over the next four years, and if they were used by 70,000 DHS agents and officers, it would be roughly 2,500 rounds per agent per year,” David Maurer, author of the GAO report
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As of October 2013, the DHS had a total amount of 159 million ammunition rounds on hand in inventory (see p. 22 in report), which when divided by the estimated number of DHS officers of 70,000, comes to about 2,271 rounds per agent.
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FPS provides each officer 250 rounds per quarter per handgun for firearm qualification, while ICE provides 100 rounds per quarter per handgun for firearm qualification.”
In fiscal year 2013, 900 rounds were bought per agent or officer at DHS and 1,200 rounds were bought per agent or officer at DOJ.
“According to CBP [U.S. Customs and Border Protection] data, new Border Patrol agents each use approximately 3,300 rounds during training and qualification, compared with experienced officers who might use about 600 rounds," reads the report. "DHS components provided data on the amount of ammunition typically used by a new law enforcement hire, which ranged from 2,000 to 5,000 rounds."
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Posted on 4/24/14 at 10:53 am to Lsut81
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Well here's the numbers from the GAO report... But keep up the rabble rabble rabble, pro police state bullshite.
That article also does note mention overseas deployments but the numbers look somewhat accurate to me. Do you still believe DHS is hoarding bullets in order to supress the populace?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:02 am to DanTiger
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Do you still believe DHS is hoarding bullets in order to supress the populace?
No, I have never said that the govt was buying bullets so that consumers couldn't get them.
I find it very odd that all of the agencies are purchasing the amounts they are. They are doing it for one reason or another and with the amount of recent "Training Scenarios" they have had in response to domestic groups/individuals, it makes you really question what they are preparing for.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:06 am to Lsut81
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No, I have never said that the govt was buying bullets so that consumers couldn't get them.
I actually believe this is the only viable "conspiracy" theory on why they would buy so many rounds outside of necessity.
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I find it very odd that all of the agencies are purchasing the amounts they are. They are doing it for one reason or another and with the amount of recent "Training Scenarios" they have had in response to domestic groups/individuals, it makes you really question what they are preparing for.
The reality is that the feds shoot a lot. They shoot a lot because they are able to buy bullets with our tax dollars and some congressman's brother in law likely has the contract to supply the rounds or, at least, act as the middle man. They are not planning for a revolt they are just wasting money as they always do.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:23 am to Lsut81
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which is equal to a total of about 2,500 rounds per DHS agent per year,
This really isn't that many. I shoot this in a year between my shotguns and rifles. I've shot 500-plus rounds of .22 ammo in a day.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:26 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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This really isn't that many. I shoot this in a year between my shotguns and rifles. I've shot 500-plus rounds of .22 ammo in a day.
Damn it! Get out of here with reason like that!
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:33 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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This really isn't that many. I shoot this in a year between my shotguns and rifles. I've shot 500-plus rounds of .22 ammo in a day.
Aside from the fact that these agents don't just go and shoot issued Ammo on the weekends for fun.
The GAO breakdown I posted shows what agencies typically allot per officer, per year.
New officers use typically 2-3k in training.
Depending on the agency, it looks like the average is between 600-1k per officer, per year.
So how in the frick does that add up to them needing 2500 bullets per year for EVERY officer? Especially with DHS is already stockpiled with 2500 rounds per officer currently?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:33 am to DanTiger
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The DHS deploys numerous personnel to Iraq and Afghanistan
What is the reason for this? Global police? Just curious.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:34 am to DanTiger
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Damn it! Get out of here with reason like that!
Yeah, damn it... Just ignore the GAO numbers of how much is allotted each yer per officer.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:42 am to Jim Rockford
What about the kid a couple of days ago that lost at some kind of video game and tweeted some kind of crap and the police showed up at his house because of some kind of murder threat or something. It turned out to be a hoax. The point to my post - guess how many SWAT team members showed up to take this guy down.
70 SWATters showed up at a cost of $10,000 according to some police spokesman to surround one house. That is just plum fricking insane.
70 SWATters showed up at a cost of $10,000 according to some police spokesman to surround one house. That is just plum fricking insane.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:43 am to Lsut81
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Yeah, damn it... Just ignore the GAO numbers of how much is allotted each yer per officer.
2500 rounds is really not a lot of ammo!
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:46 am to Lsut81
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Depending on the agency, it looks like the average is between 600-1k per officer, per year.
So how in the frick does that add up to them needing 2500 bullets per year for EVERY officer? Especially with DHS is already stockpiled with 2500 rounds per officer currently?
Overseas deployments. A large number of those are 5.56 rounds for M4s. Do you want to deploy to a war zone with 1 mag of ammo?
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:46 am to Porky
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:48 am to Porky
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What is the reason for this? Global police? Just curious.
I know customs agents are deployed there to train them how to process people coming in from other countries and charge tariffs. Border patrol agents are sent there to teach them how to patrol borders.
Posted on 4/24/14 at 11:48 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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2500 rounds is really not a lot of ammo!
For fricks sake... Read the article. Did I say it was a lot? No, it is not a lot of ammo for a private citizen who goes shooting on the weekends.
But this isn't that. This is govt issued ammo to agents. This isn't ammo they take and play with.
The average agent is allotted 600-1000 rounds a year to use for training. Why the frick do they need an additional 1500 a year per agent.
They are buying double what they need.
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