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re: BLM vs. Nevada Rancher
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:51 am to GumboPot
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:51 am to GumboPot
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Where does the BLM get that authority?
Think of the BLM as a land management company. The feds have a bunch of land that they acquired one way or another (purchase or war) and have created an entity to manage those lands.
From the feds perspective, they have a tenant who is in arrears. Generally the management company would pursue the back rent, but eventually may have to turn it over to law enforcement (like the sheriff).
If my tenant refused to pay rent to my land management agent, I would probably bring in law enforcement as well.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If my tenant refused to pay rent to my land management agent, I would probably bring in law enforcement as well.
What happened in Nevada would equate to a dozen swat members showing up to your tenants appt to arrest him.
If you have a judgement and you are in the right, why not get a court order to seize bank accounts or whatnot to satisfy the debt?
The fed went WAY over the top and their arrogance was put on full display.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:54 am to CptBengal
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Add in the fact the BLM has already spent SEVERAL MILLION dollars to collect 100-200 k in grazing "fees", and it quickly becomes apparent this has nothing to do with that lame arse excuse either.
Suppose you had a rent house and a tenant who was 6 months behind on his $1000/month rent. If it would cost you $7000 to evict him, would you let him stay just because it cost more to get him out than he owed you?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:57 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Suppose you had a rent house and a tenant who was 6 months behind on his $1000/month rent. If it would cost you $7000 to evict him, would you let him stay just because it cost more to get him out than he owed you?
Or would you show up with dozens of armed SWAT members
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:57 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Suppose you had a rent house and a tenant who was 6 months behind on his $1000/month rent. If it would cost you $7000 to evict him, would you let him stay just because it cost more to get him out than he owed you?
You must not own rental properties, 7k? shite, it can be done for 200 dollars. Keep defending the indefensible, it's funny.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:58 am to Lsut81
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What happened in Nevada would equate to a dozen swat members showing up to your tenants appt to arrest him.
Is my tenant armed?
Has he threatened violence against me and my agent?
Does he not recognize the authority of the law?
Do we know how many others are in the house?
If it's my house and it takes 12 specially armed men to restore my property to me, I'm going ahead and making the popcorn.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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If it's my house and it takes 12 specially armed men to restore my property to me, I'm going ahead and making the popcorn.
So you want to see violence and a standoff? Then you must have enjoyed what happened in Nevada...
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:01 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Is my tenant armed?
guns are legal.
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Has he threatened violence against me and my agent?
They feds showed up with snipers, and Bundy never threatened violence. Keep making things up though.
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Does he not recognize the authority of the law?
The local sheriff, the highest law enforcement person in Clark County, Yes, even over the feds...agreed with Bundy.
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Do we know how many others are in the house?
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If it's my house and it takes 12 specially armed men to restore my property to me, I'm going ahead and making the popcorn.
And you are free, as a citizen to pay for whatever needs or wnats you desire.
The feds have no right to WASTE several times more tax dollars than they would see in return...when othert, cheaper and legally binding options are available.
Unless you just love government waste.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:01 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Why is the BLM wrong?
The BLM -
One of the images was accompanied by a note that said: “Digging up 1 of the HUGE holes where they threw the cows that they had ran to death or shot. I feel that this NEEDS to be put out for the public to see.”
damage to the grazing land includes holes in water tanks, destroyed water lines and broken-down fences
Doesn't seem like very good management to me.. does it you?
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Think of the BLM as a land management company. The feds have a bunch of land that they acquired one way or another (purchase or war) and have created an entity to manage those lands.
From the feds perspective, they have a tenant who is in arrears. Generally the management company would pursue the back rent, but eventually may have to turn it over to law enforcement (like the sheriff).
If my tenant refused to pay rent to my land management agent, I would probably bring in law enforcement as well.
That's fine an all and I don't disagree in principle. However, what is the basis in law for the BLM to collect grazing fees? Furthermore, once that law is established is the federal ownership of these lands valid?
That's Bundy's claim...that the federal government doesn't even have proper title to the lands, the State of NV does.
Of course Bundy lost his case in court due to the fact that he represented himself (which was beyond stupid) and a federal judge's integrity can be questioned because they will have a tendency to always bias cases toward the federal government whom he/she works for.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:04 am to CptBengal
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You must not own rental properties, 7k? shite, it can be done for 200 dollars.
Against an armed man?
Yes, I own rental property, that's the perspective I'm seeing this from - a land owner rights issue. What rights do I have when it comes to removing an armed, intransigent tenant?
But beyond that, way to avoid the actual issue of why you may pay more to remove the tenant than you are owed by the tenant.
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Keep defending the indefensible, it's funny.
I guess you missed the part where I said Bundy may not be breaking the law/agreement with the feds, imo.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:05 am to Alahunter
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One of the images was accompanied by a note that said: “Digging up 1 of the HUGE holes where they threw the cows that they had ran to death or shot. I feel that this NEEDS to be put out for the public to see.”
Wow. Government dollars at work. It really is how scary a government will go to preserve power over it's people.
It's even scarier how far the left will go to ensure the government retains that power.
PROGRESS!!!! FORWARD !!!!
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:07 am to Lsut81
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So you want to see violence and a standoff?
What I said earlier was that I want to see overwhelming force used to dissuade the tenant from violence.
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Then you must have enjoyed what happened in Nevada...
Why do you people have to pull this shite?
I could just as easily accuse you of being a communist who is against property rights. Why don't you want land owners to have rights to their land?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:08 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Does he not recognize the authority of the law?
That's were the dispute is. The federal government recognizes their interpretation and Bundy recognizes his.
I'd like to understand the history before I pick a side.
Like:
How did the federal government get to own the property in the first place? Louisiana purchase? And wasn't it part of the deal of the LA purchase that the federal government was supposed to relinquish said lands to the newly formed states? Was that contract broken?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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lib-progs love to celebrate those who break the law for their own causes, so it's hypocritical for them to criticize bundy (
Yep, yet millions of illegal immigrants get a pass.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:09 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why do you people have to pull this shite?
Pull what and who is you people?
You are spinning and comparing apples to oranges
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:14 am to CptBengal
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guns are legal.
wtf? What does that have to do with anything?
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Bundy never threatened violence.
He has, even before the feds sent in an army.
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The local sheriff, the highest law enforcement person in Clark County, Yes, even over the feds...agreed with Bundy.
What about the court?
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Do we know how many others are in the house?
You obviously have no idea what a 'hypothetical situation' is. If my tenant is armed in the house with an armed friend, that may make a difference as to how much force it will take to remove him. It should be assumed that he's not alone. I want overwhelming force to make him quit without a fight. What's wrong with that?
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The feds have no right to WASTE several times more tax dollars than they would see in return...when othert, cheaper and legally binding options are available.
Actually the feds have the right to enforce the law. I'm not sure if there is a financial limit on how much they can pay. If you have a link to the limit the gov't can pay to secure its property, show it.
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Unless you just love government waste.
If you hate America so much, why don't you just move out?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:17 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why don't you want land owners to have rights to their land?
Why are you equating the federal government to a private citizen in terms of land ownership? That's like comparing apples to the solar system. They don't compare.
The federal government does not make money. They collect taxes from the citizens. Each citizen owns what is deemed "federal property". But the fed has been so power hungry and diluted, that they have convinced the citizenry that we are nothing more than a revenue stream. And if you step out of line, the government that the citizens financially prop up, will crush you.
The citizens of America own the federal government. Not the other way around.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:20 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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He has, even before the feds sent in an army.
I've not heard of it. Link please? Legitimate question.
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If you hate America so much, why don't you just move out?
Herein lies the problem. You equate the Federal Government and it's bureaucracy to America, and not it's citizens that make the country what it is today.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:21 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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a land owner rights issue. What rights do I have when it comes to removing an armed, intransigent tenant?
He's not an armed insurgent tenant.
he was on his ranch, his own land. The issue was his cattle and the public commons issue on the nearby ranges used for grazing. Unless you're assuming the cows were armed? Because the cows were on the government property. In fact, Bundy was trying to remove the tenants.
seems like you know little of this situation.
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