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re: Uh oh: It appears ethanol in fuel offers no benefit
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:33 am to udtiger
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:33 am to udtiger
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In 2000, over 90% of the U.S. corn crop went to feed people and livestock, many in undeveloped countries, with less than 5% used to produce ethanol. In 2013, however, 40% went to produce ethanol, 45% was used to feed livestock, and only 15% was used for food and beverage (AgMRC).
The United States will use over 130 billion gallons of gasoline this year, and over 50 billion gallons of diesel. On average, one bushel of corn can be used to produce just under three gallons of ethanol. If all of the present production of corn in the U.S. were converted into ethanol, it would only displace 25% of that 130 billion.
But it would completely disrupt food supplies, livestock feed, and many poor economies in the Western Hemisphere because the U.S. produces 40% of the world’s corn. Seventy percent of all corn imports worldwide come from the U.S
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:38 am to DeltaDoc
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by far and away the worst legacy of the Bush Presidency
And environmentalists would have screamed to high heaven if he didn't do it. Now they are complaining about it's use. And environmentalists wonder why we are skeptics.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:47 am to weagle99
I hope you are not trying to assert that ethanol is a right vs left thing.
Both sides support this awful thing.
Both sides support this awful thing.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:54 am to Tigah in the ATL
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I hope you are not trying to assert that ethanol is a right vs left thing.
I didn't write the article.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 11:59 am to weagle99
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I hope you are not trying to assert that ethanol is a right vs left thing.
I didn't write the article.
As usual, ATL doesnt even read the thread and just comes in with his typical inane drive by quip.
It's already been acknowledged numerous times that the program was started under Bush, and almost nobody is trying to make it a partisan discussion.
What a useless fricking poster.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:00 pm to ChineseBandit58
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When they first introduced lead-free gasoline,
Ah yes. Bringing back memories. I remember the day when you'd take your gas cap off and behold a gaping receptacle that could accept even a man-sized diesel fuel nozzle if you weren't paying attention. When they came out with the catalytic converters and lead-free gas, they started putting in the little "restrictor plate" in the receptacle so that only the newly engineered shrunken wienie-like fuel pump nozzles would fit.
Back in 1983 when I was a rich single LT with money squirting out my ears, I bought a new Boss Mustang with the venerable 302 plus a little bit of a cam. (last brand new vehicle I've ever bought.) Since I was headed to West Germany, I could legally cut the catalytic converter off since the Deutsche hadn't yet succumbed to the lead free gas mafia. It was a different car after that. It was "unpussified." I put V rated tires on it and took off for the land of no speed limits.
One comical feature about that car was the speedometer, which only went to 85 MPH. If it hadn't been for the trip odometer rod at the bottom, I would have wrapped the needle all the way around to 0 MPH on the autobahn.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:22 pm to son of arlo
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son of arlo
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:46 pm to HubbaBubba
That was a lot of motor for a fairly lightweight car. In fourth gear, it would do 37 MPH per 1K RPM. Unless you were going slower than 80 MPH, you weren't even getting the spark plugs wet.
If you drive ~120-140 MPH for maybe an hour or so and then slow down to 60 for an autobahn exit, you get the sensation that you could easily just open the doors, walk around the car, and swap seats with the passenger.
These days, my wife bitches at me because I won't go faster than the speed limit.
If you drive ~120-140 MPH for maybe an hour or so and then slow down to 60 for an autobahn exit, you get the sensation that you could easily just open the doors, walk around the car, and swap seats with the passenger.
These days, my wife bitches at me because I won't go faster than the speed limit.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 12:52 pm to weagle99
Don't even begin to figure on the fuel and fertilizer/land use costs etc for this shite, not to mention distilling it, it's a joke.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:03 pm to Strannix
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Don't even begin to figure on the fuel and fertilizer/land use costs etc for this shite, not to mention distilling it, it's a joke.
If I walk into a Tunica casino with $1k, lose all of it except for one dollar that I play on a slot walking out the door and win $600, I'm still a winner, right? (I've had this conversation IRL with a Tunica "winner.")
Back when Obama said he wanted to restore science to its rightful place, I just wanted Romney to say he wanted to restore arithmetic to its proper place.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:11 pm to son of arlo
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Key U.S. water assets have been squandered and mismanaged for years due to reckless federal policies. And reality is now finally catching up. For example, absurd green energy mandates mean that five billion bushels of corn are converted to fuel ethanol each year. USDA scientists calculate it takes 2,500 gallons of water to grow a bushel of corn. That comes to 12.5 trillion gallons of water per year to produce ethanol. And that is the equivalent of draining Lake Erie every ten years.
Except if they drained the Great Lakes, people might notice. So instead, they are draining the aquifers.
Ethanol production draining aquifers.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:54 pm to HubbaBubba
Submit to the feds. They know better than you.
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Prometheus (aka WPN-114) was the oldest known non-clonal organism, a Great Basin Bristlecone Pine (Pinus longaeva) tree growing near the tree line on Wheeler Peak in eastern Nevada, United States. The tree, which was at least 4862 years old and possibly more than 5000, was cut down in 1964 by a graduate student and United States Forest Service personnel for research purposes.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:38 pm to son of arlo
but, but our intentions were so good
Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:00 pm to weagle99
frick Bush for pushing this shite on us. He made gas more expensive, harmed our engines and decreased MPG, and grew gov't with the EPA and brought about more crony capitalism with big ag just by signing his name on a piece of paper.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 5:28 pm to Homesick Tiger
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It's about 23-28 cents a gallon more expensive than the corn gas.
I see ethanol free stations all around and never have seen it .25 higher...
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:23 pm to weagle99
This was a farm / agribusiness program and had nothing to do with science.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:36 pm to ArkLaTexTiger
BTW, every time I see the sticker below on a gas pump I want to vandalize something:
The word 'enriched' just rubs me the wrong way.
The word 'enriched' just rubs me the wrong way.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:37 pm to Sentrius
This is what party line bitches refuse to understand.
If you are not a 1%er you don't mean shite. So tow your line.
Until people say to hell with them all, we all remain under their thumbs.
If you are not a 1%er you don't mean shite. So tow your line.
Until people say to hell with them all, we all remain under their thumbs.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 7:45 pm to weagle99
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Enriched with 10% ethanol
I'm heading out to the Walmarks now to see if they have any products enriched with headcheese.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:29 pm to thejudge
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his..that shite is so corrosive that it can't be pipi elined. Must be rail car or trucked everywhere.
This is not true. The ethanol like any other additive is added after the fuel reaches it's destination. Trust me I approve that shite to go down pipelines for a living. Everything else you said is true I hate that shite and it makes my minions job in the lab testing that shite twice as difficult.
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