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re: It's not Obama...he is merely a symptom of the larger problem.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
If you think the 2008 recession happened overnight, you're living in a bubble.
Of course it provides you with another opportunity to rip on W, so don't let me rain on your parade with facts.
Of course it provides you with another opportunity to rip on W, so don't let me rain on your parade with facts.
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:52 am to Godfather1
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If you think the 2008 recession happened overnight, you're living in a bubble.
So let me get this straight, when the previous administration was Republican, it's the current Democratic administration's fault. But when the previous administration was Democratic, it's their fault.
Am I doing it right?
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Of course it provides you with another opportunity to rip on W
Link?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 9:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
What do YOU think caused the 2008 recession?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:04 am to Godfather1
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What do YOU think caused the 2008 recession?
Well, according to this statement:
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at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
...shouldn't it be the party that was in control for 8 years?
I mean, after all, at what point SHOULD a party accept responsibility? Ever?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:06 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I didn't make that statement.
Don't dodge the question. What do you really think caused the recession?
You asked who was responsible for the 2008 recession. I gave you a root cause and explained that W warned of the consequences.
Don't dodge the question. What do you really think caused the recession?
You asked who was responsible for the 2008 recession. I gave you a root cause and explained that W warned of the consequences.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:09 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:08 am to Godfather1
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What do you really think caused the recession?
" at this point, what difference does it make?"
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:17 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Really?
Yes.
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Like the end of slavery?
I thought it was over but look racist accusations today.
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Like woman's suffrage?
I thought we had that but look at war on women today.
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Like labor laws?
I thought the fight for labor laws ended but look a unions today.
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Like the SEC?
Now we have Frank-Dodd...whats next? I sure "they're" itching something up.
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Like civil rights?
See no. 1.
The point is, it's never over. Never.
A point of further clarification. Agitating the populace for the sake of gaining more power is evil. For example, women's suffrage is a legit grievance. The grievance came first. However, the war on women because GOPers don't want women to have access to birth control is contrived. GOP blocking women's access to birth control has NEVER existed. But the president and the Democrat party INVENTED a grievance.
Hopefully you see the difference.
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You know, just because you disagree with some things a group might do or promote, doesn't mean you have to hate them and see them as evil incarnate.
Hate? I rarely (if ever) hate anyone. Evil? Just calling it as I see it.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:25 am to Godfather1
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I didn't make that statement.
Don't dodge the question.
Hey, man, I'm just trying to figure this one out:
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at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
We can either go back in history and look at causes and effects, or we can just blame the guy who's currently in office.
It just looks to me like when it's a Dem in office, he has to take the blame, no matter what. But when it's an R in office, we can look back at causes and effects.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:26 am to CptBengal
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The federal government is completely out of control.
No shite, sherlock
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Forget lsu sports....this decline is real.
It is a real decline, just like LSU's football team
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:36 am to WildTchoupitoulas
You asked the question.
I gave you the answer.
Trying to play 'gotcha' doesn't change the facts.
I gave you the answer.
Trying to play 'gotcha' doesn't change the facts.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:40 am to GumboPot
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I thought it was over but look racist accusations today.
Wha...?
NEWSFLASH: Slavery ended in 1865.
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I thought we had that but look at war on women today.
NEWSFLASH: Women got the vote in 1920.
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I thought the fight for labor laws ended but look a unions today.
The FSLA of 1938 restricted child labor in the US.
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Now we have Frank-Dodd
Just because you're pointing out new goals of Progressivism doesn't invalidate goals achieved in the past. Regulation of securities markets was needed, and now we have it. However inefficient you may think they are, or new goals with which you disagree, they're better than what we had.
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See no. 1.
Plessy v. Ferguson WAS struck down.
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For example, women's suffrage is a legit grievance. The grievance came first.
Yes, and it was a Progressive cause. And the Progressives achieved that goal.
The statement, "they never solve problems" can be disproved with but a single example of a problem they solved. The statement, "They DO solve problems" can NOT be disproved with a single example of a problem they didn't solve, or a problem they caused. Comprende?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:42 am to Placebeaux
quote:Won't happen.
The bank owns the government. Get rid of the bank and you get your country back.
Rather than banning together to fight the real problem, the Corporate/Banking Fascist Elite have Americans programmed to fight amongst ourselves (left vs right). Just look at any thread on this board, or listen to any conversation in this country concerning politics.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:44 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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It just looks to me like when it's a Dem in office, he has to take the blame, no matter what. But when it's an R in office, we can look back at causes and effects
Whaa??? So constantly reading and hearing "It's Bush's fault" for the past 7-8 years was just a dream?
Wow............
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:46 am to Godfather1
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You asked the question.
Not this one (you know, the one I'm actually trying to address):
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at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
Why don't you address the question to which I'm actually referring?
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Trying to play 'gotcha' doesn't change the facts.
Damn, you boys love accusing people of the ol' 'Gotcha!'. However, accusing someone of a 'Gotcha!' doesn't invalidate their point. What I have noticed is that whenever someone accuses another of a 'Gotcha!', it usually means the accuser's been had.
HOWEVER, changing the subject from the one at hand (namely, "at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?") is not a valid form of debate.
So maybe you can address the subject, at what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Comprende?
Sure. But there is a difference between agitating to create a problem to solve, than solving a problem that organically exist.
Agitation is what I have an issue with. It's based on emotion. And it's emotion that is usually stolen from an issue that were supposedly already solved.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:52 am to WildTchoupitoulas
You asked a question (albeit, one I don't think you thought through all the way).
I gave you the answer.
That you don't LIKE the answer doesn't change the fact of said answer. I wasn't even addressing your other point, so quit trying to deflect.
I gave you the answer.
That you don't LIKE the answer doesn't change the fact of said answer. I wasn't even addressing your other point, so quit trying to deflect.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:01 am to GumboPot
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there is a difference between agitating to create a problem to solve, than solving a problem that organically exist.
Yes, there is. 'Progressives' do both. But just because progressives agitate, doesn't mean they don't also solve problems that exist.
I have a problem with agitation as well. I also have a problem with people throwing the baby out with the bath water.
We don't HAVE to be so 'All or Nothing!' in this country, but we seem to be.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:03 am to Godfather1
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I wasn't even addressing your other point, so quit trying to deflect.
So you were deflecting by not even addressing my other point, yet I'm deflecting.
Ok.
How about this:
At what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
...care to take a stab?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:31 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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At what point can a party accept responsibility? Ever?
Ok, I'll play.
I would say it depends upon the circumstances. Not everything is one-size-fits-all.
FTR, I don't blame Obama for the mess he inherited. My fault with him lies in his failure to improve the situation when he campaigned specifically on doing so.
Now, answer my question: what do you think caused the 2008 recession?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:49 pm to VOR
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Sorry, I don't feel guilty. I do, however, sort of feel sorry for those of you who seem to be so fricking miserable.
It's not about who feels miserable, or who's life is in the crapper. I have a great job working for the Government, and love my day to day life.
It's about looking at where we are, and where we are supposed to be. Big Governemnt overstepped it's bounds generations ago, and nothing was done to rain it in, so it has only gone down hill. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, and all the rest would be pissed at how aout of control the government has become in this Nation.
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