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Right. And the best way to help these children in this situation was to fire 400 cannisters of CS gas (which is flamable) into the compound....rather than, as it has been pointed out, picked the dude up at Kroger on one of his weekely errands.

oh, it was a total CF! And managed terribly by the ATF, FBI and justice. There was no reason to kill all of those people.

but let's not pretend like David Koresh was some sort of good person. He was a cult leader that enjoyed fricking young women, usually with their parents consenting. That is some fricked up shite right there. Can you imagine saying to some dude, go ahead and frick my 14 year old daughter, its cool.

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Posted by BeYou

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Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:03 pm to Hawkeye95

I live in Waco and have been to the site (which is actually just outside Waco).

There is a memorial there and people still live on the property. There is also still a church on site.

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Posted by Lsut81

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Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:03 pm to Hawkeye95

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but let's not pretend like David Koresh was some sort of good person. He was a cult leader that enjoyed fricking young women, usually with their parents consenting. That is some fricked up shite right there. Can you imagine saying to some dude, go ahead and frick my 14 year old daughter, its cool.

Its fricking sick, but you capture him when he is out and about.... Instead of taking him quietly, they kill everyone that were trying to save.

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Posted by AUin02

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Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:06 pm to Hawkeye95

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let's not pretend like David Koresh was some sort of good person

This is not a good vs bad issue. Just because Koresh was "bad" doesn't make the govt "good" or vice versa. There can be bad vs worse in this world, it happens quite often but too many people have too binary a view of the world.

Koresh and his cult was creepy, but that doesn't mean the ATF gets to burn them all at the stake in some modern day witch trial.

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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas

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Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:11 pm to Hawkeye95

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but let's not pretend like David Koresh was some sort of good person. He was a cult leader that enjoyed fricking young women, usually with their parents consenting. That is some fricked up shite right there. Can you imagine saying to some dude, go ahead and frick my 14 year old daughter, its cool.

As I watched it unfold, I kept thinking of Jim Jones. The Jonestown massacre had only been about 15 years prior. And hell, Manson's 'Helter-Skelter' had only been less than 25 years prior.

I couldn't help but think those people were all doomed no matter what - and then the government went and killed them.

But those personality cults are bad fricking news.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

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Posted by novabill

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Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:14 pm to Hawkeye95

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but let's not pretend like David Koresh was some sort of good person. He was a cult leader that enjoyed fricking young women, usually with their parents consenting. That is some fricked up shite right there. Can you imagine saying to some dude, go ahead and frick my 14 year old daughter, its cool.

Hawk, I cannot imagine someone defending the actions of DK. The anger is directed at the feds for the way the handled it. Someone posted in an earlier comment, that if they wanted to arrest him, all they needed to do was show up at the Krogers on a Saturday afternoon. They did not want to arrest him as this was not about justice or even the kids, it was about the feds showing us that they are the masters and we are the servants.

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