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re: this Nevada issue highlights the true divide in this country....
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:12 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
this Nevada issue highlights the true divide in this country....
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and if the farmer doesn't want to sell or allow the pipeline on his/her land, you think the gov (that would be your "conservative" reps) and big oil are just gonna walk away? ...
You're comparing an issue involving private land, and private companies with Harry Reid's attempt at a public land grab in Nevada?
If it comes up in Keystone, it will be settled in the courts.
wouldn't surprise me if reid and his influence are behind this, but i'll leave him out of the argument ... the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use ... yes, those are private companies/landowners along the pipeline route ... someone will, at the behest of the companies, intervene to make the landowners give up their land should they refuse ... that 'someone' is the government, be it courts or eminent domain laws or whatever ... there are a lot of folks on here who will be claiming "the law's the law - landowner's just gotta give it up" ... because they want the pipeline since it fits with their agenda - jobs ... as is the case, most "conservatives" are fine with conservatism, as long as it's not in their "backyard", i.e. wallet ...
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:18 pm to tiderider
The keystone pipeline hypothetical and the Nevada rancher is comparing apples to oranges, period.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:24 pm to tiderider
quote:NO!
... the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use ...
The debate is whether the government in this instance has the right to endanger lives of citizens through military thuggery, when readily available civil means exist to address the issue.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:51 pm to tiderider
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the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use
Say what?
No, that wasn't the debate. Nobody questioned his right to protest.
The rest of your post is too incoherent to comment upon.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:11 pm to tiderider
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wouldn't surprise me if reid and his influence are behind this, but i'll leave him out of the argument ... the debate, sans reid, is whether this individual has the right to protest, in whatever manner, the government's handling of property he claims he has some right to use ... yes, those are private companies/landowners along the pipeline route ... someone will, at the behest of the companies, intervene to make the landowners give up their land should they refuse ... that 'someone' is the government, be it courts or eminent domain laws or whatever ... there are a lot of folks on here who will be claiming "the law's the law - landowner's just gotta give it up" ... because they want the pipeline since it fits with their agenda - jobs ... as is the case, most "conservatives" are fine with conservatism, as long as it's not in their "backyard", i.e. wallet ...
I started a thread on the Keystone pipeline about a year ago raising this exact point. The vast majority of conservatives were A-ok with it.
Let's see how many patriots want to defend a citizen who wants to keep a pipeline from running across his property.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:07 pm to tiderider
quote:A lot of people said the same thing during the Civil Rights movement, too. Wonder how those "liberals" feel about being in the same camp of blind allegiance as those that opposed desegregation?
there are a lot of folks on here who will be claiming "the law's the law - landowner's just gotta give it up" ...
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