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re: Breaking: Confiscating Legal Weapons at Bundy Ranch in Nevada
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:26 am to TeamWillow
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:26 am to TeamWillow
Two things I don't understand about this situation.
First is no one can confiscate your guns without you giving them your guns. I didn't understand this with Katrina either. I mean, yeah, I've got a .38 snubbie I'd gladly turn over. Otherwise...
But also regarding the man's claim, I have title to land that was granted to my Acadian ancestors by the Spanish government of Louisiana. After the Purchase, they filed their claim with the new government. Every year since then we have paid property taxes on our land. These records are on file at the courthouse.
According to the report I saw, this man's family had been paying grazing rights until 1993. That right there is evidence that they were renting the land and didn't own it. If he hasn't been paying taxes OR rent on the property, he really has no claim to it.
If in fact this is federal land, that means it belongs to US. I don't know about you, but when I rent property out, I intend to receive rent. If you don't pay rent, you get evicted.
Where is this man's evidence of ownership? A claim filed, or receipts of taxes paid would go a long way to proving his case.
First is no one can confiscate your guns without you giving them your guns. I didn't understand this with Katrina either. I mean, yeah, I've got a .38 snubbie I'd gladly turn over. Otherwise...
But also regarding the man's claim, I have title to land that was granted to my Acadian ancestors by the Spanish government of Louisiana. After the Purchase, they filed their claim with the new government. Every year since then we have paid property taxes on our land. These records are on file at the courthouse.
According to the report I saw, this man's family had been paying grazing rights until 1993. That right there is evidence that they were renting the land and didn't own it. If he hasn't been paying taxes OR rent on the property, he really has no claim to it.
If in fact this is federal land, that means it belongs to US. I don't know about you, but when I rent property out, I intend to receive rent. If you don't pay rent, you get evicted.
Where is this man's evidence of ownership? A claim filed, or receipts of taxes paid would go a long way to proving his case.
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:48 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Bundy's dispute with the government began about 1993 when the bureau changed grazing rules for the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area to protect an endangered desert tortoise, KLAS reported. Bundy refused to abide by the changes and stopped paying his grazing fees to the federal bureau, which he contends is infringing on state rights. His family has been ranching since the 1800s, before the U.S. Department of Interior was created and endangered species became a federal issue, he said in an interview with KLAS. "My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed," Bundy told the station.
From an article I read his family had the rights before the government came in but he decided to pay the grazing fees because all his neighbors did and it was supposed to be used for land upkeep but instead the BLM used it to buy out or legally acquire all the others ranchers.
At this time and with their failure to abide by the contract (upkeep of roads, fences, etc....) that buddy quit paying his grazing fees.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:49 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I see things have changed in the situation...
on another note:
I was always under the impression that a LEO's oath to uphold The Constitution trumps an unconstitutional order given by their superiors(like military)...I guess they eventually(or maybe even have already) are eliminating that part of the oath...because any officer that violates Constitutional rights is unworthy of his badge anyway...we only need LEO's that are oath keepers...
contrary to what many overzealous LEO's think, You can and should point out any order given that is unconstitutional and refuse to comply on those grounds and document it in anyway possible right up the chain of command...you may just end up Sheriff of chief of police one day for standing up for the people instead of the department...
on another note:
I was always under the impression that a LEO's oath to uphold The Constitution trumps an unconstitutional order given by their superiors(like military)...I guess they eventually(or maybe even have already) are eliminating that part of the oath...because any officer that violates Constitutional rights is unworthy of his badge anyway...we only need LEO's that are oath keepers...
contrary to what many overzealous LEO's think, You can and should point out any order given that is unconstitutional and refuse to comply on those grounds and document it in anyway possible right up the chain of command...you may just end up Sheriff of chief of police one day for standing up for the people instead of the department...
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