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Finally got to watch the Spring Game video ref QBs
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:17 pm
Well, I have this to say. Thank the heavens that our QBs get more practice before game 1. I saw very little in the video that wouldn't concern me if we were closer to game 1.
Jennings' pocket presence is awfully similar to JJs(in that he has none). The guy just seems unable to anticipate where the rush is coming from and no, the kid is NOT "dual threat". Assuming he ever gets solid at passing, that will make him a single threat with perhaps enough speed that he might run a tiny bit. But his passing has a LONG way to go which is disappointing because I guess we all let that Arky game give us a false sense. He just does not throw a pretty ball.
Harris has the exact opposite pocket presence as Jennings in that he actually seems to be legit as a threat on the ground and has that QB "feel" for when to get on the move. He also throws a substantially prettier ball than Jennings although sadly, at this point, it's a prettier ball that's actually MORE likely to miss its mark than Jennings.
Given a choice between the two based upon what I saw, Harris looks like he's got more for a coach to work with. When it comes to teaching things, there are some things that are harder to teach than others. IE, just as some RBs just seem to have "vision" that you really can't teach, some QBs are that way in the pocket. I've just rarely seen a guy with the shaky pocket awareness of Jennings get a lot better at it. That just seems to be an innate skill.
Frankly, as shaky as he looks, I'm very much hoping that if Harris is the man, that Rettig be a solid backup because right now, if Harris got hurt, I just wouldn't be comfortable with what I'm seeing from Jennings. If Rettig is actually behind Jennings, then we are nowhere near as deep at QB as I thought we were going into spring.
Jennings' pocket presence is awfully similar to JJs(in that he has none). The guy just seems unable to anticipate where the rush is coming from and no, the kid is NOT "dual threat". Assuming he ever gets solid at passing, that will make him a single threat with perhaps enough speed that he might run a tiny bit. But his passing has a LONG way to go which is disappointing because I guess we all let that Arky game give us a false sense. He just does not throw a pretty ball.
Harris has the exact opposite pocket presence as Jennings in that he actually seems to be legit as a threat on the ground and has that QB "feel" for when to get on the move. He also throws a substantially prettier ball than Jennings although sadly, at this point, it's a prettier ball that's actually MORE likely to miss its mark than Jennings.
Given a choice between the two based upon what I saw, Harris looks like he's got more for a coach to work with. When it comes to teaching things, there are some things that are harder to teach than others. IE, just as some RBs just seem to have "vision" that you really can't teach, some QBs are that way in the pocket. I've just rarely seen a guy with the shaky pocket awareness of Jennings get a lot better at it. That just seems to be an innate skill.
Frankly, as shaky as he looks, I'm very much hoping that if Harris is the man, that Rettig be a solid backup because right now, if Harris got hurt, I just wouldn't be comfortable with what I'm seeing from Jennings. If Rettig is actually behind Jennings, then we are nowhere near as deep at QB as I thought we were going into spring.
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:23 pm to SettleDown
"I'm judging a true Fresh QB, A True Soph QB, and a RS Fresh QB on a spring game that means diddly shite compared to the closed spring scrimmage the weekend before"
Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:24 pm to SettleDown
I agree with you dude but there will be some morons on here that dont
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:24 am to SettleDown
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:39 am to SettleDown
To be fair Mett's pocket awareness his junior year was pretty awful. He showed substantial improvement his senior year even though it still wasn't the greatest.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:46 am to SettleDown
For the 2 people that down voted look at what happened on the field. AJ is not the clear no.1 at qb, Harris is right with him anf if he is right with him he should start cause Jennings has had true game experience and Harris has not. And also he has had a year in the play book also he should have been lightyears ahead of Harris.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:50 am to SettleDown
What you people fail to understand is that there already 30 threads about the QBs that all say the goddamn same thing. We don't need a new thread every hour featuring every average Joe's pro analysis.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:48 am to SettleDown
This is the most realistic answer and most likely to happen. Jennings starts game one. If he does well..he will stay a bit longer. But at some point (could even be the first or second game), Harris will not only be sharing snaps, but likely take them over.
I see Harris in goal line situations immediately. And look for him to eventually take over. He just has a higher ceiling and better skill set.
This is most likely the truth wether people want to believe it or not.
I see Harris in goal line situations immediately. And look for him to eventually take over. He just has a higher ceiling and better skill set.
This is most likely the truth wether people want to believe it or not.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:52 am to SettleDown
I 100% agree that the pocket presence of Jennings is severely worrisome.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:28 am to SettleDown
Jennings look rattled but you're an idiot to say he doesn't have a pretty ball. Guy has great throwing mechanics other than he tends to lean on his back foot when he comes out of a short drop back but the kid has a tight spiral and has touch on the ball. He did put look rattled but you're an idiot to say he doesn't have a pretty ball. Guy has great throwing mechanics other than he tends to lean on his back foot when he comes out of a short drop back but the kid has a tight spiral and has touch on the ball. He did put too much air on it at times, but what we saw with Arkansas is no joke, it was too well done to be a false impression. Rolling out, setting his feet making a good throw. He can play, just needs a little work which you have to trust Cam is doing the right thing with him. much air on it at times, but what we saw with Arkansas is no joke, it was too well done to be a false impression. Rolling out, setting his feet making a good throw. He can play, just needs a little work which you have to trust Cam is doing the right thing with him.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 8:34 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:34 am to SettleDown
Thanks for your insight - and, for that matter - the insights of everyone else who provides us with their expert impressions about the spring game. I don't have a clue how I would survive without knowing such valuable information. Likewise, I'm sure that you could not have survived without sharing it.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:36 am to SettleDown
Thanks for your insight - and, for that matter - the insights of everyone else who provides us with their expert impressions about the spring game. I don't have a clue how I would have survived without knowing such valuable information. Likewise, I'm sure that you could not have survived without sharing it.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:35 am to SettleDown
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I've just rarely seen a guy with the shaky pocket awareness of Jennings get a lot better at it. That just seems to be an innate skill.
you have to admit this though. Metts pocket presence year one vs year two at LSU was like night and day. It can be taught. Just have to calm him down
Posted on 4/8/14 at 9:42 am to SettleDown
Cliff notes:
-Jennings makes OP nervous
-Harris is better pure talent but needs to develop
-some random words that explain why it's important we listen to OP and not the thousands of other people who are saying this exact thing
-Jennings makes OP nervous
-Harris is better pure talent but needs to develop
-some random words that explain why it's important we listen to OP and not the thousands of other people who are saying this exact thing
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:13 pm to SettleDown
Why is this even a question for anyone? How can anyone have any expectations for QBs who have been in the system a few months and only about a year? The best you can hope for is development during the season. Winston or Manziel expectations are ignorant and definitely unrealistic. If we dominate on the ground we'll be okay on offense. Both these QBs will be more competent than JJ was. We went to a NC with a horrible QB situation. If defense plays at a level we expect and Fournette+the Oline is billed to be what it can, we're going to be fine with some growing pains at QB/WR.
Harris will probably at least get a ton of PT...maybe a 2 QB system. At some point this season he will start and have a bad game. The the rant will cannibalize him and want Rettig in. That's how it always goes on here. They have a new favorite QB every year and then want to feed them to the wolves the second they have a bad game. It's really funny to read.
First it was Lee, then it was JJ, then it was Mett, then it was Jennings and now it's Harris. Tomorrow it will be Ret or whatever QB we get in our recruiting class. frick all development.
Harris will probably at least get a ton of PT...maybe a 2 QB system. At some point this season he will start and have a bad game. The the rant will cannibalize him and want Rettig in. That's how it always goes on here. They have a new favorite QB every year and then want to feed them to the wolves the second they have a bad game. It's really funny to read.
First it was Lee, then it was JJ, then it was Mett, then it was Jennings and now it's Harris. Tomorrow it will be Ret or whatever QB we get in our recruiting class. frick all development.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 2:51 pm to SettleDown
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I'm very much hoping that if Harris is the man, that Rettig be a solid backup because right now
Shouldn't you be hoping that A QB steps forward in the next 5-6 months and takes the job?
Why do I get the feeling some are placing their bets like at a horse race?
I recall a LSU QB throwing like 5 ints in a spring scrimmage and then going on to have a great season. I also recall a RB gaining over a 100 yds in a SG and winding up 3rd or 4th string to start the Fall.
It's fun to watch the guys play the SG, but anyone making sweeping decisions off the results is just being silly.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 3:08 pm to SettleDown
It's funny how so many "scouts" here can watch the same video, yet see things completely differently. I think a lot of people went into the spring game critical of Jennings because of the bowl game performance. Thus, they were looking for the "bad" as opposed to the good. Conversely, everybody loves the new recruit who we are told is the next great thing, yet has shown nothing on the field. Those people went into the spring game watching Harris only looking for the good, and ignoring the bad.
I saw two QBs who still need a lot of work and coaching. Yet that should not be unexpected since one is a True Fr. and the other has only 1 college start. They'll both get better with time.
To me Harris looked a bit like JJ in the 2008 Peach Bowl. He had one read and if it wasn't there he tucked it an ran. That could account for the better "pocket presense" noticed by the OP. Harris climbed the pocket well a few times, but seemed to hold onto the ball a bit too long. He certainly has a good arm and quick release. He looked good throwing the crossing routes, but was wildly inconsistent on throwing passes that needed some touch. You can have the greatest arm in the world, but if you can hit your target it doesn't mean a whole lot.
Jennings was up and down as well. However, because he has been in the program for over a year and has started a game at LSU, I think the coaches gave him a little more to handle than Harris. You saw Jennings actually trying to go through some progressions (see the INT to Jones). It's much easier to be "more decisive" when you only have two choices: throw to the primary reciever or take off and run. Jennings struggled some in the pocket, but he also showed some good touch and awareness outside of the pocket. The pass to Stokes down the sideline was beautifully thrown and not easy to execute (rolling to your off-hand and floating a pass over a defender).
It's ridiculous to make definitive statements about who should or shouldn't be the starting QB after watching a glorified practice. Both QBs have ability. Both need more work. Both will improve with more practice.
I saw two QBs who still need a lot of work and coaching. Yet that should not be unexpected since one is a True Fr. and the other has only 1 college start. They'll both get better with time.
To me Harris looked a bit like JJ in the 2008 Peach Bowl. He had one read and if it wasn't there he tucked it an ran. That could account for the better "pocket presense" noticed by the OP. Harris climbed the pocket well a few times, but seemed to hold onto the ball a bit too long. He certainly has a good arm and quick release. He looked good throwing the crossing routes, but was wildly inconsistent on throwing passes that needed some touch. You can have the greatest arm in the world, but if you can hit your target it doesn't mean a whole lot.
Jennings was up and down as well. However, because he has been in the program for over a year and has started a game at LSU, I think the coaches gave him a little more to handle than Harris. You saw Jennings actually trying to go through some progressions (see the INT to Jones). It's much easier to be "more decisive" when you only have two choices: throw to the primary reciever or take off and run. Jennings struggled some in the pocket, but he also showed some good touch and awareness outside of the pocket. The pass to Stokes down the sideline was beautifully thrown and not easy to execute (rolling to your off-hand and floating a pass over a defender).
It's ridiculous to make definitive statements about who should or shouldn't be the starting QB after watching a glorified practice. Both QBs have ability. Both need more work. Both will improve with more practice.
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