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re: Is it possible to be against gay marriage/homosexuality without being a bigot?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:35 pm to goldennugget
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:35 pm to goldennugget
Merriam-Webster says that a bigot is "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. ... a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)."
I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
Now, I'm going to look at what you've said.
That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry.
But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said.
*"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
Now, I'm going to look at what you've said.
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I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God.
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I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will.
That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry.
But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said.
*"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:40 pm to DCRebel
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In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
Did you just call an objective view of morality arbitrary?
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:41 pm to DCRebel
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That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary.
I view homosexuality in the same lens I would view adultery, theft, liars, etc; that they are rebelling against the will of God
Does that make me bigoted against them?
Yes I believe that all of the above have something wrong with them that needs to be fixed, and that behavior can be fixed by the transforming power of Jesus... but because I believe that does not mean I hate them, or are not accepting of them. Of course I won't accept their sinful behavior, but that doesn't mean I won't accept them as a person or a son of Abraham...
Posted on 4/4/14 at 2:44 pm to DCRebel
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I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people.
I don't see anywhere in what the OP has said that would relate to this.
unfairly dislike people - nope. You can dislike and act and like the people.
"refusing to accept" - nope. See above.
I think way too many people can't separate disagreement with disliking/hatred/bigotry, yet have no real understanding what bigotry actually is (not saying this is you, just in general).
Now, the redneck that hates figs for being figs, yea, he's a bigot.
I could make all these arguments about people with tattoos. I have no ill feelings towards people with them, but I do not agree with getting a tattoo.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:19 am to DCRebel
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Merriam-Webster says that a bigot is "a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. ... a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)." I think the definition hinges on "unfairly" disliking or "refusing to accept" people. Now, I'm going to look at what you've said. quote: I believe that engaging in homosexual acts is sinful behavior and not pleasing to God. quote: I just hold a belief most Christians hold that homosexuality is against God's will. That's the refusal to accept someone, in that you believe there is something inherently wrong with them or something that should be fixed. In addition, you're doing so along religious lines, a standard which I feel is "unfair" in that it's not a universal or easily agreed upon standard - in a sense, it's arbitrary. So, while you aren't a "violent, hateful,[sic] bigot who seeks* to oppress gays," I don't agree with your assertion that your views on homosexuality aren't a form of bigotry. But, hey, I don't think you're a bad person; I don't even know you. I'm just offering my perspective on what you've said. *"Seeks" really is the saving grace here, because while you believe that you don't actively seek to oppress people, your beliefs are oppressive.
This is thought-policing. Holding a belief without imposing it on others is not "oppressive".
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