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re: History Debate: Ulysses S. Grant vs. Robert E. Lee

Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:22 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:22 pm to
Maybe no Klan. But I hope hou realize that Jim Crow was the law in each state and racial segregation was codified in detail by local and state governments.

If slaves were freed I suspect some version of Jim Crow was inevitable. I can't see slavery suddenly ending and the next day blacks are given equal treatment under the law.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:42 pm to
The states of Virginia, Tennessee, and Kentucky were laying out plans for gradual assimilation. Your assumptions concerning Jim crow are still based off of the states being forced to emancipate as opposed to doing it on their own.
Posted by Navtiger1
Washington
Member since Aug 2007
3368 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:56 pm to
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Maybe no Klan. But I hope hou realize that Jim Crow was the law in each state and racial segregation was codified in detail by local and state governments.


Well there almost certainly wouldn’t have been a Klan since it was started first in response to carpet baggers and then transformed into a very powerful anti-black organization. I don’t think the hatred and anti-black sentiment would have been nearly strong enough to create the at one time 3 million plus member Klan without the war.

Yes I know Jim Crow was the law in both the North and South. I also agree that some form of Jim Crow would have followed the freeing of slaves. I said in my post it would not have been a quick process. I don’t know that what would have followed would have been as bad or as long standing as Jim Crow, that is something we would never know. So no I do not believe it would have been a next day thing. I said it would be a very painful assimilation in the short term for freed slaves. But I think the acceptance and assimilation would have taken far less than 150 years if the process had been accomplished through legislation rather than war. Many southerners who probably had no ill will or an opinion regarding slaves before the war and reconstruction ended up having hate and animosity after the war because they blamed blacks for their condition after the war. The war brought an abrupt end to an awful institution, but I think it created a horrible aftermath that still lingers today.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:40 pm to
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Maybe no Klan


I thought the Klan was originally Southerners who refused to quit fighting and continued to fight a gorilla war against Northern reconstruction efforts.

It was founded on warfare, the racial piece was not the original intent.
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