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re: Is Monty Really Learning?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
As long as Tavares keeps trotting out Stiemsma to start, no he is not learning
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Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:19 am to NorthshoreTiger76
Watching AD play perimeter defense for 3 quarters kills me on the inside. I think it was literally the first play where Monty put AD in the paint where AD blocked two consecutive Blatche shots.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:21 am to TigerinATL
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People need to stop getting so excited about Withey, he's basically Jason Smith without a proven jumper. That's not bad, especially on a rookie contract, but he's not the center we're looking for, he's part of the committee at best.
Honestly, I'm really just looking at him to be a cheap replacement for Smith.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:44 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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People need to stop getting so excited about Withey, he's basically Jason Smith without a proven jumper. That's not bad, especially on a rookie contract, but he's not the center we're looking for, he's part of the committee at best.
No way Withey and Smith are even kind of comparable on the defensive end.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:55 am to ShamelessPel
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No way Withey and Smith are even kind of comparable on the defensive end.
Does Withey seem to have a better handle on fundamentals of post defense? Yes. He was a college DPOY after all. But are they similarly sized, active big men that block shots and have relatively poor rebound rates? Yes. That's the similarity I see, and the rebounding weakness in Withey's game is why I don't think he's our starting C of the future.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 10:59 am to TigerinATL
Withey is quicker and has better footwork outside of the paint as well. He'll have all offseason to work with the training staff and beef up.
I don't look at him as the center of the future. I look at him as our backup center of the future.
I don't look at him as the center of the future. I look at him as our backup center of the future.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:06 pm to ShamelessPel
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I look at him as our backup center of the future.
Yep, he's a guy that fits the back half of a 5 big rotation.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:08 pm to TigerinATL
Using a nice run as evidence that he's a good coach is a fallacy in and of itself.
I seriously doubt Monty uses the players that are succeeding right now in this way if not forced to do so by circumstances. These aren't his tinkering making the team better. It's luck that the injuries are starting to force him to put players in roles that are best suited at playing.
I can almost guarantee if this team is healthy, people wouldn't be happy with the product Monty puts out.
I seriously doubt Monty uses the players that are succeeding right now in this way if not forced to do so by circumstances. These aren't his tinkering making the team better. It's luck that the injuries are starting to force him to put players in roles that are best suited at playing.
I can almost guarantee if this team is healthy, people wouldn't be happy with the product Monty puts out.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:12 pm to Geauxgurt
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I seriously doubt Monty uses the players that are succeeding right now in this way if not forced to do so by circumstances. These aren't his tinkering making the team better. It's luck that the injuries are starting to force him to put players in roles that are best suited at playin
Idiotic statement is idiotic.
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I can almost guarantee if this team is healthy, people wouldn't be happy with the product Monty puts out.
This week on "Being Miserable"
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:22 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Idiotic statement is idiotic.
How is it idiotic? Do you think he puts Tyreke at the 3 if not for the injuries? What about playing Rivers more and seeing his value to the team?
Fact is Monty isn't a horrible coach, but at the same time, he's not a great coach for the type of team the Pelicans have assembled.
He won't develop a TEAM like some hope, but he may develop a few players. He's most successful with a vet-laden team that is pre-assembled, a la 2009. That fits his coaching style and his abilities.
I simply feel the Pelicans would be better served with a more proven coach for developing younger teams and there are several out there. If you are going with a youth movement as the Pelicans are, it only makes sense that your coach fit that movement also, and Monty simply does not.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:27 pm to Geauxgurt
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I can almost guarantee if this team is healthy, people wouldn't be happy with the product Monty puts out.
I can almost guarantee you the exact opposite. Obvious choices are obvious, when this team was fully healthy they had a winning record (9-6 or .600) and played much differently, they were top 10 in pace and chose offense over defense. The problem comes when the choices aren't so obvious and Monty goes with trusted (veteran) over unfamiliar (you damn kids and your small ball need to get off of my lawn!).
I don't have much faith if we end up in a chess match against a top coach in a playoff series, but this team is talented enough when healthy to overcome many of its coaching deficiencies and play exciting basketball on the way to a first round exit.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:36 pm to TigerinATL
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I can almost guarantee you the exact opposite.
If I see 9-6 one more time...
The reality though is that it is a very small sample size. Remember, none of the wins came against good teams at the time. I think it was much later in the season we got our first win vs a .500+ club?
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I can almost guarantee if this team is healthy, people wouldn't be happy with the product Monty puts out.
Don't worry, people forget how little Reke was playing, how many dumb 15-18 footers Jason was throwing up, the carousel and ineffectiveness that was our bench, the fact that Monty would essentially clear all of the starters at once and use a bench only lineup, etc, etc..
I remember. I'm just resigned to knowing this idiot will be at the helm next season and just try to enjoy it for what it is.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:39 pm to Geauxgurt
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How is it idiotic?
Because he's winning games with a shite roster, and you want to credit the shite roster as the reason why he's winning the games. Basically, you are just finding creative ways to avoid giving him any credit for team success. I consider that idiotic.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:39 pm to TigerinATL
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I can almost guarantee you the exact opposite. Obvious choices are obvious, when this team was fully healthy they had a winning record (9-6 or .600) and played much differently, they were top 10 in pace and chose offense over defense. The problem comes when the choices aren't so obvious and Monty goes with trusted (veteran) over unfamiliar (you damn kids and your small ball need to get off of my lawn!).
I disagree with this being different then my projection. Even when healthy, this team struggled mightily against Western Conference teams or any teams for that matter with winning records. That's why I think under Monty, they are destined to be a 7-seed and if lucky 6-seed at best even with perfect health throughout the season.
They'll definitely be something like a 45-50 win team, but again that still keeps them at #6-7 seed and they struggle against teams with equal talent and especially better coaching.
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I don't have much faith if we end up in a chess match against a top coach in a playoff series, but this team is talented enough when healthy to overcome many of its coaching deficiencies and play exciting basketball on the way to a first round exit.
No doubt, but why should this talented roster if healthy have to overcome its coaching deficiencies? That is my point.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:40 pm to ShamelessPel
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If I see 9-6 one more time...
I think it's more notable for the faster pace and dedicating time to the Finishing Five (last 5 minutes of the quarter. Monty was definitely treating the fully healthy team differently than the BRob lead Pelicans.
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people forget how little Reke was playing
He was only averaging around 26 MPG in that stretch, but like I said, hopefully that genie is out of the bottle.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:42 pm to TigerinATL
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Obvious choices are obvious
Exactly, his "bad rotations" are a result of bad options. People want him to make chicken salad out of chicken shite. When you have to play extended stretches without several key players, your rotations suffer. Has he made some mistakes? Of course he has, but some people can't see the forest for the trees.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:42 pm to TigerinATL
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He was only averaging around 26 MPG in that stretch, but like I said, hopefully that genie is out of the bottle.
He was also battling the ankle injury during that stretch.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:42 pm to TigerinATL
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I think it's more notable for the faster pace and dedicating time to the Finishing Five (last 5 minutes of the quarter. Monty was definitely treating the fully healthy team differently than the BRob lead Pelicans.
No one knows what is going on with Ryno and his ability to get back. Without Ryno, the pace and five don't exist. Before we were essentially forced to tinker, our team was averaging an awfully low number of threes.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:43 pm to Geauxgurt
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Even when healthy
When was this team "healthy"?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 1:43 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Because he's winning games with a shite roster, and you want to credit the shite roster as the reason why he's winning the games. Basically, you are just finding creative ways to avoid giving him any credit for team success. I consider that idiotic.
Why is it a shite roster? He has Davis who is playing out of his mind, Tyreke is a legit player, Gordon despite his issues is a legit player, and a bunch of decent talent. They looked like "shite" as you call it because they were misused. Hell, Philly beat Miami earlier in the season, does that mean their coach is great or their talent isn't that bad?
The Nets are missing key players too, so I am not sure of your point.
The team is playing well, but to act like Monty is some savant winning with nothing on his team is actually what is utterly idiotic.
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