All I'm saying is that whenever these types of threads pop up, people generalize "blacks" to mean "poor, on the govt tit" blacks. Go ahead and read some of the responses on the first page. Sure, disproportionately more blacks are on welfare. But its still less than half. Why do people generalize that way when the majority of blacks aren't on welfare? If anything it would be more accurate to assume no blacks are on welfare and base your responses on that premise than the opposite.

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but this board is based in the south and we have more black people than asians or jews here

I understand, but when it comes to discussing national voting trends in the context of presidential elections and things like that, it gets totally glossed over. But I'm convinced some people on here can recite national black voting trends in their sleep.

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well the GOP sucks at PR

Why yes they do, I'm glad we can agree on this. It's a big part of the GOPs problem.

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and, like i said (and you ignored), it's impossible to prove a negative. the DEMs have painted the GOP as racist and it's impossible to prove that they aren't racist (especially with how the left has created the industry of "code words")

So thats it? Its all over? There's nothing the GOP can do and they are doomed forever? I don't buy it.

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if we point out the failures of the culture that produces this sad result, we're racists who "are not doing anything to help the community".

I don't believe this to be true. I do think generalizing and painting all blacks with a broad brush also does nothing to help the community, as well.

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jewish culture is based in urban areas in the US, and urban areas lean DEM

What is your theory on Asians?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I thought I would chime in:

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What have they done to continue to have their support?
what is so offensive about this question?

Nothing wrong with the question IMO, it was some of the responses that made me SMH.

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Posted by Lsupimp

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Posted on 3/9/14 at 7:36 pm to onmymedicalgrind

I just reread the first page. There is a LOT of truth on that page. And some untactful statements too. But lots of truth.

I think one of the issues here is that people of good will assume the good will of the reader. And they are surprised when meaning no harm, they are greeted by negative reactions. You may disagree with something I write, but I have no doubt that if we (or SugarBear for that matter) were sitting at a table we could pretty quickly agree on many, many things. The internet basically ensures conflict.

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Posted by SlowFlowPro

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Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:43 am to onmymedicalgrind

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All I'm saying is that whenever these types of threads pop up, people generalize "blacks" to mean "poor, on the govt tit" blacks.

and i've made a point for a long time that we need to create words to describe this group, b/c it leads to confusions like you're pointing out. i try to use trash or ghetto or ratchet to distinguish the groups

that is the group that your typical white person has a problem with, in all honesty. it's just not always described specifically enough to avoid an issue. i specifically made a thread on this very topic like 4 years ago to start that discussion. i think i was called a racist

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Go ahead and read some of the responses on the first page. Sure, disproportionately more blacks are on welfare. But its still less than half. Why do people generalize that way when the majority of blacks aren't on welfare?

well to be fair, this board criticizes people of all races on welfare. if you think trashy blacks get it bad, look at how well-to-do white people discuss white trash, man. it ain't pretty

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but when it comes to discussing national voting trends in the context of presidential elections and things like that, it gets totally glossed over.

it's also a simple explanation: they are concentrated in urban areas and urban areas lean heavily DEM. jewish people in general are also highly socially liberal and aren't subject to the christian conservative value system

i don't have data (may look later), but i'd imagine that if you split up urban v. rural asians you'd see a dramatic shift in DEM v. GOP voting patterns.

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So thats it? Its all over? There's nothing the GOP can do and they are doomed forever? I don't buy it.

how does the GOP prove it's not racist?

hell the concept of racism has become so broad and generalized, cutting almost any government program is seen as racist (the farm bill/SNAP issue a few weeks ago was the latest "big" example). you can't be fiscally conservative and avoid being called a racist, accordingly

the concept of "code words" has become so broad and generalized that it's difficult to criticize shite cultures (especially if you don't specifically state a race) without being called a racist. hell, the libtards pushed to make referencing "Chicago" racist (when it was just about dirty politics...the Chicago way)

i mean shite, immigration has become a racial issue. we're talking about future immigration, not killing the hispanic populations of America. the conversation has become so skewed, unless you support full amnesty, you're basically called a racist. it's all bullshite and it's almost become the standard. you tell me how to combat that other than just giving in? (and fwiw, i believe in open immigration and emigration, but with a completely slashed welfare state. the vast majority of fiscal conservatives would agree with this policy. it's about money: not race)

it's already impossible to logically prove a negative, now you add in that layer and you tell me how it's done