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re: 70% of Young Americans think we should be allowed to own Assualt Rifles
Posted on 3/7/14 at 7:44 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 3/7/14 at 7:44 am to SpidermanTUba
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I'm no expert on firearms obviously - but it seems like the above list is specific enough that you could definitively say whether a given firearm qualified under that law as an "assault weapon". If you disagree - please tell me which of the above terms are "nebulous". Thanks
The entire term was made up to ban a certain group of weapons based on cosmetic features.
All of those features listed are cosmetic. How can a cosmetic feature make something more lethal?
And weapons are inherently lethal - so, inventing a term to ban weapons that have been in private hands for over a century seems somewhat of a stretch.
The first definition was set up to specifically ban AK-47 and AR-15 variants. The second was to ban the Tec-9, and the third was mainly the Spas-12 and Streetsweeper.
The way the legislation was drafted was that Feinstein (and others) and her staffers leafed through a catalog of firearms and picked out those they wanted to ban based on appearance (this is not seriously in dispute) - figured out the most features they had in common and voila.
The very definition of nebulous.
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Posted on 3/7/14 at 8:10 am to Ace Midnight
I'm waiting for an explanation why an "assault weapon" means one thing under the 1994 AWB, something different under the later attempts of legislation, something different in California, and something different in New York. Looks like NJ is about to change their definition too.
Posted on 3/7/14 at 8:48 am to Ace Midnight
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The entire term was made up to ban a certain group of weapons based on cosmetic features.
So.
The.
frick.
What?
The term "Assault rifle" was made up [Sturmgewehr], hell, the term "internet" was 'made up' - but that doesn't mean these things don't have meaning today. We make up words all the time in the English language, it's called 'coining a term'.
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The way the legislation was drafted was that Feinstein (and others) and her staffers leafed through a catalog of firearms and picked out those they wanted to ban based on appearance (this is not seriously in dispute) - figured out the most features they had in common and voila.
So what? They could invent some term like 'commie rifle' to ban the imports of Russian firearms simply in order to boost sales of domestic rifles. Big deal, it doesn't matter what you call them, what matters is what is banned or not.
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The very definition of nebulous.
Actually, while we're bickering over terms, I think 'capricious' would be more appropriate.
Posted on 3/7/14 at 9:49 am to Ace Midnight
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All of those features listed are cosmetic.
Dude, seriously - you're not using the same definition of words as the entire rest of the world uses.
A flash suppressor clearly has a functional purpose, as do detachable magazines and grenade launchers.
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The first definition was set up to specifically ban AK-47 and AR-15 variants. The second was to ban the Tec-9, and the third was mainly the Spas-12 and Streetsweeper.
These weapons are probably specifically listed then - nothing nebulous there.
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The way the legislation was drafted was that Feinstein (and others) and her staffers leafed through a catalog of firearms and picked out those they wanted to ban based on appearance (this is not seriously in dispute) - figured out the most features they had in common and voila.
The very definition of nebulous.
Again - you aren't really using the same dictionary as the entire rest of the word. I think the word you are looking for in your argument is "arbitrary" - not "nebulous". Flipping through a catalog to ban specific weapons and others with the same specific features may be considered "arbitrary" - but the resulting definition is not "nebulous"
I would seriously be interested in reading about any cases that occurred when the federal ban was in effect in which whether or not the ban applied was a fact reasonably in dispute.
Posted on 3/7/14 at 5:27 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:that is absolutely not true. It is an old term. It has just been abandoned by the gun lobby.
The entire term was made up to ban a certain group of weapons based on cosmetic features.
It goes back to the 70s at least.
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