re: Is this board a target of covert agents?

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The influx of "believers" who have newly registered and posted on this board over the last 2 or so are pretty much the same thing.

What an explosion of liberalism. I'm sure it's just happenstance.

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Again, my plea is ignorance -- and confusion. So forgive me if my interpretation of your post is erroneous.

By "believers" you mean the religious that come in both political stripes? Are you saying the religious among the citizenry who have come to this board are the same thing as government-paid covert agents who are following orders with the intent of foiling or even destroying opposition to the administration's agenda? It's hard for me to believe you cannot discriminate between those two.

When you say "liberalism," do you mean the world view of Our Founders, who were liberals, or do you mean the sullied hyjacked term of today which is antithetical to Our Founders? My ignorance of this explosion precludes me from knowing which you think has occurred in the last 2 (years?)

It's pretty certain authentic "believers" are not being paid by the Obama administration to advance the values of Our Founding. There could be covert agents posing as "believers" and posting outrageous positions to discredit true believers. This is exactly the sort of false flag tactic the Snowden documents reveal to be happening. Is this what you mean?

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Consider the actions of every Marxist regime throughout the 20th Century. Hundreds of millions of silenced opposition in Russia and China.

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Stalin and Moa didn't employ Marxism. What they did was in direct defiance of Marxism on many accounts.

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Hitler, the leader of the Germany National Socialist Party (Nazi), conducted pograms to eliminate opposition and undesireables.

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Nazi Germany was fascist, the opposite of Marxism.

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Creepy while it lasted though.

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That IS creepy. In the run up to the 2010 elections we know the IRS was effectively active in silencing opposition. It is not a stretch to suppose the regime was active on more than one front to achieve their objective.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

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Again, my plea is ignorance -- and confusion. So forgive me if my interpretation of your post is erroneous.

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You're a liberal arts major, aren't you?

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By "believers" you mean the religious that come in both political stripes?

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No. I'd say the alter/meat/sock fest has had a left lean. The tide turned, so to speak, with 2012, 2013 and 2014 registered users soldiering for lefty causes. Again, it's probably just an alter fest, but it's definitely a noticeable jump in liberal posters registered in the last 3 years. But then, the overall TD alter fest seems pretty huge. Must be all the dee-vices.

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Are you saying the religious among the citizenry who have come to this board

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Wait. What? With the who now? Which citizenry?

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are the same thing as government-paid covert agents who are following orders with the intent of foiling or even destroying opposition to the administration's agenda? It's hard for me to believe you cannot discriminate between those two.

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Wow. You're blowing my primitive mind. That was life-changing idiocy. No. What I'm saying is that the future cost of contemporary agenda items is the crux of historically feasible templates which condescend to radically potential agitation shite frick damn. Do you concur?

(boiler plate "dictionary definition of liberalism" checkmate)

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It's pretty certain authentic "believers" are not being paid by the Obama administration to advance the values of Our Founding

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I suppose that's true, but it's still an odd statement. Noyoureright. Authentic. Good stuff.

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There could be covert agents posing as "believers" and posting outrageous positions to discredit true believers. This is exactly the sort of false flag tactic the Snowden documents reveal to be happening. Is this what you mean?

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Snowden? Say what now? Which believers are the "true believers?" It's all very confusing.

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Consider the actions of every Marxist regime throughout the 20th Century. Hundreds of millions of silenced opposition in Russia and China.



Stalin and Moa didn't employ Marxism. What they did was in direct defiance of Marxism on many accounts.

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Perhaps by the accounts of misinforming Marxists! Both communism and socialism are Marxist manifestations. Fascism is the term two socialist nations (Italy and Germany) adopted to identify their brand of socialism. The iconic symbol of the European Axis Powers, the Fasci,


bound reeds forming a strong weapon, represented industries bound by government to give them strength. Today we say "corporatism" to approximate the same idea. Both Hitler and Musolini were the respective leaders of their National Socialist (Nazi) Parties. We are describing an economic systen marked by centralized control of the nationalized means of production -- big government determining, what and how much is made by whom for whom, with government having first dibbs on everything. Marx was an economist and this idea of central control, top down, of nationalized industries was Marx' repudiation of capitalism, which he regarded as evil and exploitative. Some believe he merely restated the ideas of the earlier Adam Weishaupt of Bavaria, founder of the Illuminati in 1776. A year later he was initiated into the Masonic Lodge.

Communism takes Marx' repudiation of capitalism to its extreme form. The centralized control extends to EVERYTHING. Not only are industries nationalized, everthing and everyone are nationalized. Nobody owns anything -- except the Party Elite, of course, the more equal.

So we see in Europe and Russia the political spectrum was entirely Marxist with the "left wing" being the communists, the "right wing" being socialists. When you hear the term "right wing fascist," this is the context in which it was originally expressed, the European political spectrum.

China later adopted the Marxist left wing as indeed did the bulk of asia. Communists are fully Marxist; there is no capitalism at all, as seen in socialist states which preserve capitalism on the individual scale. Under communism the individual is reduced to what Marx calls a "species being" that (not who) functions perfunctorily and godlessly in the service of his species. Marxists are hostile to religion as he is famously quoted as saying "religion is the opiate of the masses," What he actually said is

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Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.
Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

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Such lofty rhetoric reveals the arrogance typical of Marxists: they know what makes you happy, since you are opiated, you cannot. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Later Mao reportedly said to the Dalai Lama "Religion is Poison" as he expelled him and began a relentless oppression of his people. They always know what's best for other people.

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Nazi Germany was fascist, the opposite of Marxism.

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A Marxist anxious to distance himself from Hitler told you that. It's nonsense. Marxism is the foundation of both socialism and communism. Look it up.

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You're a liberal arts major, aren't you?

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The relevance of this question escapes me, but my final career stop, which ended long ago, was as a petro physicist. My undergrad major was pre-med, but my coursework included the Honors English program, does that count?

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Wait. What? With the who now? Which citizenry?

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The citizens of the U.S.A.

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Snowden? Say what now? Which believers are the "true believers?" It's all very confusing.

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Are you a Liberal Arts major? My confusion was due to not understanding your meaning of two terms you introduced, "liberalism" and "believers" and my request was that you define them, if my interpretation was in error.
It's strange that you end up asking me to define "believers," your term that you put in quotes but didn't define. You were asked first!

The context of your usage of the word "liberal(ism)" in your second post makes it clear you mean the modern corrupted meaning, that is: That mid to late 20th Century and early 21st Century Marxist movement in the United States calculated to destroy that country, formerly called "progressive" in the early 20th Century America and known elsewhere as "socialism" or more generally as "Marxism."

Your confusion can be resolved by reading both your original post and my OP. This thread is about Glenn Greenwald's most recent release of Snowden documents. They reveal online activities by paid covert agents designed to destroy the reputations of administration opponents, infiltration of online political communities, and the shaping of political discourse to undermine political opposition. The documents reveal a wide range of tactics, "gambits of deception," these agents have been using to affect those objectives. This board is a candidate for targeting, and the subject could be of interest to everyone who posts here.

PS...Beck is on this subject right now. Cass Sunstein wrote a 'theoretical' paper on I-net site infiltration and subversion back in '08.

Whatever. Eternity can handle it.

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Decatur

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Does the government pay you extra to troll True Detective threads or is that on your own time?

Marx wrote about removing govt once the top was squashed by the dictatorship of the proletariat via force and social engineering. It should speak to the failure of the idea of communism in that all cases of Marxist revolutions the power vacuum left by the overthrow leaves an even more repressive regime in its place instead.

I'm an undercover agent of the FBI, sent to infiltrate....