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re: Could Jim Thorpe have played professional sports if he was 25 today?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:11 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:11 pm to TheSexecutioner
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I believe the primary reason is competition. The pool is bigger and the drive to further approach human limits is much greater out of neccesity (bulking up to 260 won't get you in the NFL as a lineman, throwing 85mph probably won't allow you to start as a pitcher, running 3:59 mile won't allow you to have a pro career.)
I believe the primary factors are nutrition, medicine, training methodology, equipment and PED's (both legal and illegal). Evolution is a non-factor. The change in talent pool/participation and popularity has no doubt affected some sports positively. Pro football and basketball were minor sports in Babe Ruth's era. On the other hand, other sports, such as baseball, boxing and track & field, have been affected negatively.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 12:31 am to trackfan
Lets face it.
Jim Thorpe appeared in the early days of modern sport...that was wildly exclusive to whites.
Which is why CFB until the 1950's and 1970's (for Southern States) is pretty lame touting titles...(see Bama for reference).
Thorpe was Welsh, Irish, African and Native American.
Tremendous athlete for his time when basically rich nations were only competing in the Olympics for titles and only blue-blood Ivy kids were competing in CFB (for all the marbles).
It's not that humans have evolved so much in 100 years... (that's ridiculous) and the previous poster made a great point.
It's that access is 100X greater now to sports...along with training and weight training.
A closed country-club athletic landscape opened its doors years later. Thorpe was able to smash the country-club door at that time due t promotion of Carlisle Indian School and efforts to fund Native American assimilation.
No one cared to that degree about black athletes who at that time...HBCs...were not in full force...and that athletic landscape was still cut off from them.
Native Americans were for years renowned runners in American sports...highly sought after for most of the century by colleges...before the sport evolved...(and see Billy Mills story and history of recruiting track athletes for colleges pre-1960).
Most of sports records before 1960 and 1970 in Southern parts (especially football) in the nation are a result of "white privilege" and gaming results for SEC schools so to speak - whites playing against whites while others like in the Big 10 and Pac-8 were playing against black players for a long time...(see Jackie Robinson).
You need to know your history and your competition. Those change. And at one time...the best competition in football allowed the best athletes to play...that was the Big10 and Pac-8...and was not the SEC. They were regarded as second-class football by the national media until the late-70's.
And when Thorpe dominated...he was facing second-class competition like most...
Would Owens be dominant today? No.
He was one of the few who were let into the controlled sporting white world and dominated.
Thorpe was a fore-bearer and benefited from being one of the early athletes to compete against guys who weren't on his level - (guys who were on his level - weren't allowed to compete...or weren't promoted and supported for the opportunity).
Jim Thorpe appeared in the early days of modern sport...that was wildly exclusive to whites.
Which is why CFB until the 1950's and 1970's (for Southern States) is pretty lame touting titles...(see Bama for reference).
Thorpe was Welsh, Irish, African and Native American.
Tremendous athlete for his time when basically rich nations were only competing in the Olympics for titles and only blue-blood Ivy kids were competing in CFB (for all the marbles).
It's not that humans have evolved so much in 100 years... (that's ridiculous) and the previous poster made a great point.
It's that access is 100X greater now to sports...along with training and weight training.
A closed country-club athletic landscape opened its doors years later. Thorpe was able to smash the country-club door at that time due t promotion of Carlisle Indian School and efforts to fund Native American assimilation.
No one cared to that degree about black athletes who at that time...HBCs...were not in full force...and that athletic landscape was still cut off from them.
Native Americans were for years renowned runners in American sports...highly sought after for most of the century by colleges...before the sport evolved...(and see Billy Mills story and history of recruiting track athletes for colleges pre-1960).
Most of sports records before 1960 and 1970 in Southern parts (especially football) in the nation are a result of "white privilege" and gaming results for SEC schools so to speak - whites playing against whites while others like in the Big 10 and Pac-8 were playing against black players for a long time...(see Jackie Robinson).
You need to know your history and your competition. Those change. And at one time...the best competition in football allowed the best athletes to play...that was the Big10 and Pac-8...and was not the SEC. They were regarded as second-class football by the national media until the late-70's.
And when Thorpe dominated...he was facing second-class competition like most...
Would Owens be dominant today? No.
He was one of the few who were let into the controlled sporting white world and dominated.
Thorpe was a fore-bearer and benefited from being one of the early athletes to compete against guys who weren't on his level - (guys who were on his level - weren't allowed to compete...or weren't promoted and supported for the opportunity).
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 12:36 am
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